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You continually use the word necessary where it does not belong. Perhaps, "death creates a universe where things...," would not be objectionable, but to insist that death is necessary is to say that nothing else could possibly accomplish this task. We do not agree there. There are ways that living people avoid becoming static, and there is no reason why those ways could not continue infinitely.
The methods suggested would more than likely be needlessly complicated. Hibernation or cryostasis come to mind. Transferring consciousness is a possibility, similar to reincarnation or even rebirth
Death would not be required of an immortal existence.
That already presumes the immortal existence doesn't want death, however
Fights do not always end in death yet they often settle disputes. War without death would be my preferable type of war.
Then all you want is the pretense of war, not war itself, where death is pretty much assured to some degree
Dealt with, but that takes time with the degree of evolution viruses go through. Sickness would still affect us and we could never die even if the disease would normally kill us. We'd be in a state of perpetual suffering until the disease is cured, which isn't always so simple, i.e. AIDS. An immortal with AIDS would beg for death a thousand times over.Immortality would give us the opportunity to work on these problems, if they presented themselves. I would love to see how high man could build! Where there is a need, there is likely to be a solution to that need, eventually. Many of the diseases we face as mortals could not affect us as immortals because the diseases destroy our bodies. If cells are destroyed, they are not immortal. If our cells are not immortal, we are not immortal. The only diseases we could have would be those that make us sick, and I believe that sicknesses could be dealt with.
Then we can agree that, for those of us with that belief, immortality is desirable.
And those who disbelieve will, contrariwise, hate immortality. Seems like a semi tautology in that, of course, those who disagree with you will not like the outcome of things
It's not a mere disagreement, you have no evidence or compelling arguments beyond your faith belief in a text holy to you. This isn't whether we find vanilla or chocolate ice cream more tasty or even questions of exact ethical origins, even if we agree on the course of action. This is something unfalsifiable and unverifiable by its nature: something supernatural."Baseless and groundless" is nothing more than your opinion. My argument is that God prepared it for me so it is desirable regardless to how I feel about it. As I said, the discussion ends there. We disagree.
There's so many that this becomes almost pointless. I say almost, because creativity is interesting in itself, but only so far.I qualified it by speculating it. We are talking about a purely speculative subject, and one speculation is as qualified as another.
Immortality in many regards seems to be a matter of 99% immortality, since, the understanding is that death is still something at least somewhat necessary, if only to make the immortals remotely vulnerable. Invulnerability and immortality creates the worst kind of curse, since there is no sense of threat in the slightestIf you can die by having your head cut off or a stake driven through you, you are not, in my understanding, immortal at all.
We agree that individual immortality *could* create isolation and despair. The increase in amount of love an immortal could experience might out weigh the pain and make immortality ultimately beneficial.
You'd see everyone around you die, everything you hold dear fall away and you can do nothing about it, as if you are trapped
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