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NightEternal · Aug 5, 2007

Actually I'm just as upset with Wooba for pushing that this forum not split so we could get stricter rules in here, and where is he now that it's time to MAKE those stricter rules?

Exactly. Where is he?

Woob is confused. First he was hell-bent on a split forum and then he was leading the charge for blended forums. Now that the vote goes by a landslide for blended, these masses are nowhere to be found.

Sophia7 · Aug 5, 2007

IntoTheCrimsonSky said:
About the talks of not allowing debate in the main forum. I think we could decide on a good description of what is meant by debate, could we not? Although I do not think this is the thread to be discussing it in.

Also, the main forum is for fellowship too..right? So friendly discussion is also allowed, beyond the questions? Like David's thread about the squirrels. Or did I misunderstand this?

Yes, fellowship would be allowed.

Actually, just curious..But if I do decide to decline this, would it be possible to become a mod a little later on? I want you guys to know that if I decline it's still something I'd like to do in the future.

You could always apply later if you decided that it wouldn't work out for you now.

IntoTheCrimsonSky · Aug 5, 2007

reddogs said:
One note, I accepted with the understanding that I can only give my undivided attention when I am not at work (9-5) and of course Sabbath I set aside, when I feel I should only 'mod' to help a brother or sister that has fallen into a 'deep hole' to help them out.....This leads me to a importan point, we need to set up a quiet time in the debate forum so moderators can also have rest from their labors if posible, coparable to a Adentist nurse or doctor not working if possible on the Sabbath.

As a alternate moderator in case we cannot reach Jim or David declines I would like to nominate jon0388g. He is young but has a keen mind and mature in his presentations and manner.

I think the Sabbath idea could be worked into something good. Also, if Jon is willing I'd second him also. It'd be nice to not be the only youngun if I accept!

reddogs said:
The proposal allows for the round earth and the internet, it asks for "Quiet Time from sundown friday to sundown saturday in each timezone",so if it is still Sabbath in California they can still continue debating but with the knowledge that some moderators have begun the Sabbath in the east coast and may not be responding till Sabbath is over in their timezone. I handle clients from around the globe, but we are not 24/7 and we let them know and rarely have a problem, and come Monday we read their email or other communication and get back to them.

I used to work with Russian and other European programmers and we would send our test results then wait 24 hours for them to call us and discuss it. If it was urgent and we had to ship, we woke them up in the middle of the night, and lets just say you dont want to wake up a disgruntled Russian at any time of the night......

LOL@ Disgruntled Russian. I'll take your word on it.

I think that sounds okay. I'm sure we could iron out the details in a discussion on the Wiki, too. Everyone needs some time of rest from debate and such, and that should be respected by all of us, no? It could be a good time to spend more in the fellowship and non-debate Bible study areas, though!!

sentipente said:
How is the any different from what is happening now. Everybody knows that the moderators can only moderate when they are online, Sabbath or not? The rule is superfluous.

It's simply saying that we need to treat the Sabbath as the important time it is even on this forum, and respect that that 24 hours for each mod is different from the rest.

TrustAndObey · Aug 5, 2007

NightEternal said:
Come on Trust. I am allowed to express my opinion on the matter, aren't I? I am not trying to justify anything Ice has done, merely sharing what I see in the situation. I have even pointed out where I thought Ice dropped the ball.

I am not trying to change your vote. If you feel you have valid reason for it, that's fine.

In all fairness to Mankin, he did not know that the vote to not split the forum had already been decided. I don't see that he was trying to agitate division.

And Ice, I also wanted a split forum, so it wasn't just a 15 year old pushing for it.

Night, you're absolutely allowed to express your opinions, but I don't see throwing OntheDL's "conspiracy theory" under the bus as explaining what Ice did.

My mod friends have told me "hey Lainie....don't take matters into your own hands. REPORT posts that are rule violations and do NOT respond to that post after you report it."

I do that.

If that's the advice mods are to give, then I just wonder if Ice could abide by that, that's all I'm saying.

Also, when Mankin made that poll, the vote was in FAVOR of splitting. It hadn't been decided yet at all. He assumed it would be split, and he made a poll about what that decision would MEAN. It was premature, but not immature.

NightEternal · Aug 5, 2007

Yeah, that's right. The vote was still up in the air. Mankin just jumped the gun.

It's impossible to recall anything in the slew of confrontations that have transpired here lately. I can't keep anything straight concerning who said what, when, what was happening at the time, what was the response, GAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! :o

Adventist Dissident · Aug 5, 2007

TrustAndObey said:
Is this merely telling someone that their poll is invalid?

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Telling someone to sit down and be quiet is telling them their poll is invalid HOW?

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again there is a context. and you are missing it. He cause 5 days of fighting. He is the cause. Not me. that is what it is addressing. He wants to change the function of the forum. That is a BIG deal and not something to be put in a poll with out consent of the forum.As far as Mankin goes. Maybe the way I said it appears to harsh. it was not my intent. I am sorry for the way it came across.

Here is an example of encouraging fighting (since you asked):

You didn't rephrase it until someone called you on it.

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if i don't think it is wrong do I have to apoligize.

IntoTheCrimsonSky · Aug 5, 2007

NightEternal said:
Actually I'm just as upset with Wooba for pushing that this forum not split so we could get stricter rules in here, and where is he now that it's time to MAKE those stricter rules?

Exactly. Where is he?

Woob is confused. First he was hell-bent on a split forum and then he was leading the charge for blended forums. Now that the vote goes by a landslide for blended, these masses are nowhere to be found.

I've noticed that too. Just figured he's busy or something, as we all get sometimes.

Sophia7 said:
Yes, fellowship would be allowed.

You could always apply later if you decided that it wouldn't work out for you now.

Wonderful! I may just take that, then. That may be the best way considering I should know what I'll be doing and how much time I can give after the next few weeks.

What do the rest of you think? Would you mind if I declined for the next while untill I better know my position? I do not think that there should be a problem regardless, but I'd hate to let you all down...

(Granted, at this rate it could very well take another month before we even have mods. *lol*)

IntoTheCrimsonSky · Aug 5, 2007

NightEternal said:
Yeah, that's right. The vote was still up in the air. Mankin just jumped the gun.

It's impossible to recall anything in the slew of confrontations that have transpired here lately. I can't keep anything straight concerning who said what, when, what was happening at the time, what was the response, GAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! :o

LOL. *Pats your head* Just breathe.

I feel the same way lately. So much imput. *twitch, smoke coming out of her ears* Brain. Malfunction. Will self destruct in 5 minutes.

Adventist Dissident · Aug 5, 2007

NightEternal said:
Come on Trust. I am allowed to express my opinion on the matter, aren't I? I am not trying to justify anything Ice has done, merely sharing what I see in the situation. I have even pointed out where I thought Ice dropped the ball.

I am not trying to change your vote. If you feel you have valid reason for it, that's fine.

In all fairness to Mankin, he did not know that the vote to not split the forum had already been decided. I don't see that he was trying to agitate division.

And Ice, I also wanted a split forum, so it wasn't just a 15 year old pushing for it.

the probem and issue I had with the split forum was that we had just finished not 8 hours earlier to have a unified forum and some has the nerve to undo the whole thing on a whim. I thought it was unfair a little arrogant and very immature. the rule making process must be respected and it was not being respected

Sophia7 · Aug 5, 2007

TrustAndObey said:
If you hung around here more, you'd know Mankin's poll came after Sophia's poll on whether or not this forum should split.

TrustAndObey said:
Actually I'm just as upset with Wooba for pushing that this forum not split so we could get stricter rules in here, and where is he now that it's time to MAKE those stricter rules?

Where are most of those people that voted for that option actually?

NightEternal said:
Exactly. Where is he?

Woob is confused. First he was hell-bent on a split forum and then he was leading the charge for belended forums. Now that the vote goes by a landslide for blended, these masses are nowhere to be found.

Just to clarify one thing (because I was away for a while when all of the discussions were going on about my involvement in that poll), I started the poll regarding a forum split as a result of a conversation with Letalis. It had come to his attention and to Erwin's that several SDA members were in favor of a split. He wanted to know if that was really necessary. He also told us that we as a forum needed to make the decision about whether to split, and he said that the administration would honor our decision.

Because Woob rethought the options in the poll that he had started and asked us to close it and start a new poll, I did. Due to the concerns of Erwin and Letalis, we believed that the question should be addressed right away before continuing with the creation of forum-specific rules. There would have been no point in making new rules for the whole forum if the majority wanted to split and have each forum make its own rules.

Thus, the accusations that some have made that the poll was invalid are unfounded. It was an issue that needed to be addressed before we could continue making rules, and we had Letalis' approval to decide the question in this manner.

djconklin · Aug 5, 2007

some has the nerve to undo the whole thing on a whim.

Who has that kind of clout?

IntoTheCrimsonSky · Aug 5, 2007

Sophia7 said:
Just to clarify one thing (because I was away for a while when all of the discussions were going on about my involvement in that poll), I started the poll regarding a forum split as a result of a conversation with Letalis. It had come to his attention and to Erwin's that several SDA members were in favor of a split. He wanted to know if that was really necessary. He also told us that we as a forum needed to make the decision about whether to split, and he said that the administration would honor our decision.

Because Woob rethought the options in the poll that he had started and asked us to close it and start a new poll, I did. Due to the concerns of Erwin and Letalis, we believed that the question should be addressed right away before continuing with the creation of forum-specific rules. There would have been no point in making new rules for the whole forum if the majority wanted to split and have each forum make its own rules.

Thus, the accusations that some have made that the poll was invalid are unfounded. It was an issue that needed to be addressed before we could continue making rules, and we had Letalis' approval to decide the question in this manner.

I had no clue that that was the reasoning behind it, although I didn't consider it "unfounded", regardless of my opinion on the actual split. Makes a lot of sense now, though. I thought things seemed to go rather fast.

Adventist Dissident · Aug 5, 2007

djconklin said:
Who has that kind of clout?

that is what it looked like mankin was doing. That is why I wrote the harsh sounding post.

TrustAndObey · Aug 5, 2007

Sophia7 said:
Just to clarify one thing (because I was away for a while when all of the discussions were going on about my involvement in that poll), I started the poll regarding a forum split as a result of a conversation with Letalis. It had come to his attention and to Erwin's that several SDA members were in favor of a split. He wanted to know if that was really necessary. He also told us that we as a forum needed to make the decision about whether to split, and he said that the administration would honor our decision.

Because Woob rethought the options in the poll that he had started and asked us to close it and start a new poll, I did. Due to the concerns of Erwin and Letalis, we believed that the question should be addressed right away before continuing with the creation of forum-specific rules. There would have been no point in making new rules for the whole forum if the majority wanted to split and have each forum make its own rules.

Thus, the accusations that some have made that the poll was invalid are unfounded. It was an issue that needed to be addressed before we could continue making rules, and we had Letalis' approval to decide the question in this manner.

I think Ice is under the impresson that Mankin came up with the idea and made a poll about it on his own.

Which is understandable because Ice was busy trying to get a Sabbath Observer forum started....I'm sure that took a lot of time.

So just to clarify, the Admin was contacted about splitting (NOT by Mankin) and a poll was started to see if we would split. At the time Mankin made HIS poll, the votes in the other poll (started before his) were in FAVOR of splitting, but that changed later.

Mankin isn't a bad guy here, and I wondered why Ice went off on him like that, but now I think I see why.

That doesn't change the fact that Mankin is probably very hurt at being told to sit down and be quiet.

NightEternal · Aug 5, 2007

If I remember correctly, and my brain probably doesn't (thanks for the comforting pat BTW Crimson ), Mankin didn't know the poll for the split was already underway. So he, out of curiosity sake, started his own poll to see who was going where so he could decide which forum he wanted to frequent.

Let us bear in mind that if this were a physical, real-life encounter, that we would probably be more careful of how we speak to this young man. He is, after all, six feet tall.

IntoTheCrimsonSky · Aug 5, 2007

NightEternal said:
If I remember correctly, and my brain probably doesn't (thanks for the comforting pat BTW Crimson ), Mankin didn't know the poll for the split was already underway. So he, out of curiosity sake, started his own poll to see who was going where so he could decide which forum he wanted to frequent.

Let us bear in mind that if this were a physical, real-life encounter, that we would probably be more careful of how we speak to this young man. He is, after all, six feet tall.

ROFL! @ six feet tall.

Agreed, regardless. Most people don't as easily voice their opinions offline.

TrustAndObey · Aug 5, 2007

6-feet-tall at fifteen. My oldest son will probably be that tall at 15 too.

Sophia7 · Aug 5, 2007

TrustAndObey said:
I think Ice is under the impresson that Mankin came up with the idea and made a poll about it on his own.

Which is understandable because Ice was busy trying to get a Sabbath Observer forum started....I'm sure that took a lot of time.

So just to clarify, the Admin was contacted about splitting (NOT by Mankin) and a poll was started to see if we would split. At the time Mankin made HIS poll, the votes in the other poll (started before his) were in FAVOR of splitting, but that changed later.

Mankin isn't a bad guy here, and I wondered why Ice went off on him like that, but now I think I see why.

That doesn't change the fact that Mankin is probably very hurt at being told to sit down and be quiet.

Yes, I agree that Mankin didn't do anything inappropriate by starting his poll.

Adventist Dissident · Aug 5, 2007

TrustAndObey said:
I think Ice is under the impresson that Mankin came up with the idea and made a poll about it on his own.

Which is understandable because Ice was busy trying to get a Sabbath Observer forum started....I'm sure that took a lot of time.

So just to clarify, the Admin was contacted about splitting (NOT by Mankin) and a poll was started to see if we would split. At the time Mankin made HIS poll, the votes in the other poll (started before his) were in FAVOR of splitting, but that changed later.

Mankin isn't a bad guy here, and I wondered why Ice went off on him like that, but now I think I see why.

That doesn't change the fact that Mankin is probably very hurt at being told to sit down and be quiet.

Trust can I ask why you are so upset by this? you don't seem to this upset when people are mistreating me? The fact that I am running does not correspond with your anger. There are other that have been nominated that have been more direct then I have been. Why are you taking this so personally. If mankin has a problem with me then why did he not contact. why a 3rd party. that is not biblical.

As far as the poll, He should not have started it.

TrustAndObey · Aug 5, 2007

icedragon101 said:
Trust can I ask why you are so upset by this? you don't seem to this upset when people are mistreating me? The fact that I am running does not correspond with your anger. There are other that have been nominated that have been more direct then I have been. Why are you taking this so personally. If mankin has a problem with me then why did he not contact. why a 3rd party. that is not biblical.

As far as the poll, He should not have started it.

Ice, I cannot explain to you the motherly instinct. If Mankin were my son and he had started that poll, your response to him would've kicked in every motherly instinct I have.

He's 15. You are in your thirties. I think you told my son you are 36?

You made an assumption that Mankin started that poll out of nowhere when there was a poll about the same thing already going on....the other poll was started by ADULTS and it was started FIRST.

You also called your brother a fool and then denied it.

I realize some people are just as (if not more) brazen than you are, but it does matter that you are running for moderator.

I will never, ever sit by and watch someone malign a child without saying something. I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you just haven't been around much and when you came back you'd realize what you had done and apologize.

Instead, you started a poll about the sky not really being blue or something. Did anyone go off on you for that poll?

Scripture says it is better to have a millstone around your neck than interfere with children coming to Christ...whether that person is a literal child or a child in Christ/faith.

As a moderator you will be an example, and it would really, really mean a lot to me if you'd apologize to Mankin and OntheDL.

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