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Who is the "99%" Anyway? What do the OWS Protesters Mean by This?

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A recurring theme of Occupy Wall Street is "We are the 99%" but what do they mean by that? Why 99%? The number is based on the well-understood distribution of wealth in America, that is, the ownership of assets.

Wealth in America can be thought of as a pie cut into three roughly equal slices. Ninety percent of us own, between us, one of those thirds, and nine percent of us own the second slice. Here's the good part: a mere one percent, one out of every hundred, gets that last entire third all to themselves. This is an investor class, which derives its income largely through dividends and capital gains. When Wall Street went to Vegas with everyone's demand deposits in the subprime mortgage scandal and lost, these are the people who got bailed out, and are still getting bailed out, by taxpayer dollars paid disproportionately by the middle class, who lack the lawyers and tax havens to get away with paying little or nothing.

Think of it as a line of 100 people waiting for pie. The first guy who steps up tears off pretty near half, leaving the other 99 people with the rest. Now does he not only want his third, he wants part of yours too, to cover his bad bets. Fair, huh?

The Washington journal Politico reports:

"A series of bailouts, bank rescues and other economic lifelines could end up costing the federal government as much as $23 trillion, the U.S. government’s watchdog over the effort says – a staggering amount that is nearly double the nation’s entire economic output for a year."


The distribution of wealth has been getting worse, more skewed toward the top, both in recent years and in the medium term since the election of Ronald Reagan. Reagan instituted an unprecedented series of tax cuts benefiting the wealthiest, based on the theory that this would assist in capital formation and spur job-creating investment. George HW Bush Sr., when he was running in the New Hampshire Republican primary against Reagan, once called it "voodoo economics."

The Center for Budget Priorities reports:

"Two-thirds of the nation's total income gains from 2002 to 2007 flowed to the top 1 percent of U.S. households, and that top 1 percent held a larger share of income in 2007 than at any time since 1928." --Center for Budget Priorities


The Rolling Stones' Matt Taibbi has made an interesting set of proposals to augment Occupy Wall Streets' current demands, which include re-instituting Glass-Steagall, repealing the Patriot Act, and a national moratorium on the death penalty, some have proposed in the name of Troy Davis. Taibbi writes:
1. Break up the monopolies. The so-called "Too Big to Fail" financial companies – now sometimes called by the more accurate term "Systemically Dangerous Institutions" – are a direct threat to national security. They are above the law and above market consequence, making them more dangerous and unaccountable than a thousand mafias combined. There are about 20 such firms in America, and they need to be dismantled; a good start would be to repeal the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act and mandate the separation of insurance companies, investment banks and commercial banks.

2. Pay for your own bailouts. A tax of 0.1 percent on all trades of stocks and bonds and a 0.01 percent tax on all trades of derivatives would generate enough revenue to pay us back for the bailouts, and still have plenty left over to fight the deficits the banks claim to be so worried about. It would also deter the endless chase for instant profits through computerized insider-trading schemes like High Frequency Trading, and force Wall Street to go back to the job it's supposed to be doing, i.e., making sober investments in job-creating businesses and watching them grow.

3. No public money for private lobbying. A company that receives a public bailout should not be allowed to use the taxpayer's own money to lobby against him. You can either suck on the public teat or influence the next presidential race, but you can't do both. Butt out for once and let the people choose the next president and Congress.

4. Tax hedge-fund gamblers. For starters, we need an immediate repeal of the preposterous and indefensible carried-interest tax break, which allows hedge-fund titans like Stevie Cohen and John Paulson to pay taxes of only 15 percent on their billions in gambling income, while ordinary Americans pay twice that for teaching kids and putting out fires. I defy any politician to stand up and defend that loophole during an election year.

5. Change the way bankers get paid. We need new laws preventing Wall Street executives from getting bonuses upfront for deals that might blow up in all of our faces later. It should be: You make a deal today, you get company stock you can redeem two or three years from now. That forces everyone to be invested in his own company's long-term health – no more Joe Cassanos pocketing multimillion-dollar bonuses for destroying the AIGs of the world.

From: "15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America" (Business Insider):

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Income More Than Doubles for Top 1 Percent From 1979 - ABC News
Top 1 Percent's Income Grew 275 Percent From 1979 to 2007

The income of the richest 1 percent in the U.S. soared 275 percent from 1979 to 2007, but the bottom 20 percent grew by just 18 percent, new government data shows.



The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) released a study this week that compared real after-tax household income between 1979 and 2007, which were both after recessions and had similar overall economic activity.
While the income of the richest 1 percent nearly tripled, increases were smaller down the economic ladder. After the 1 percent, income for the next highest 20 percent grew by 65 percent, much faster than it did for the remaining 80 percent of the population but still lagging well behind the top percentile.
 
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OWS is not representative of the 99% of the non rich in the country. They actually seem to have attitudes that are more akin to those they attribute to the 1% from what I have seen and read from their own accounts that they have taken so much time to write out for everyone to see. They seem to me to be extremely self absorbed and materialistic and , seeing how they have treated the homeless, selfish.
 
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I support them for actutally DOING something to try to bring attention to a cause--
There's not going to be change until change is demanded by the public. It's time
we unite for something. It's the same idea that got us civil rights, voting rights, and
freedom of all kinds.

It's time for a REAL Change - it's what Obama ran on so I'd say a majority of people
WANTED a change, maybe these kids w/help effect one
 
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I support them for actutally DOING something to try to bring attention to a cause--
There's not going to be change until change is demanded by the public. It's time
we unite for something. It's the same idea that got us civil rights, voting rights, and
freedom of all kinds.

It's time for a REAL Change - it's what Obama ran on so I'd say a majority of people
WANTED a change, maybe these kids w/help effect one

What cause are they advocating other than they want more for them and less for some others?
I support change I embrace change as long as change is for the better. To quote Shakespere's third citizen in Julius Ceasar "I fear there will a worse come in his place". From what I perceive as the self absorption, immaturity and covetousness of this bunch I do fear so indeed. Freedom does not seem to be high on their list of demands.
 
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There's "wealth inequality" in America because there's economic contribution inequality in America. If you want to be a business owner than you have to save up the money, put in the effort, and take the risk to start one. It doesn't matter how much money the "99%" gets, if they continue to spend it all on depreciation goods as soon as they get it they're always going to control only a small portion of the wealth. The way to accumulate wealth is saving and investing, not spending.

I can agree with some of what they're saying, like the bailouts. There should have never been any bailouts. The whole concept of a bailout is stupid. Let's take money from productive Americans and give it to unproductive Americans, that'll fix the economy! I mean, seriously, how stupid do you have to be to think that would work? On the whole, however, it seems they are simply being lazy and covetous of what others have. They want all the reward of being a hard working business owner without having to put in and of the work, thought, or risk. Plain and simple greed.
 
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There's "wealth inequality" in America because there's economic contribution inequality in America. If you want to be a business owner than you have to save up the money, put in the effort, and take the risk to start one. It doesn't matter how much money the "99%" gets, if they continue to spend it all on depreciation goods as soon as they get it they're always going to control only a small portion of the wealth. The way to accumulate wealth is saving and investing, not spending.

I can agree with some of what they're saying, like the bailouts. There should have never been any bailouts. The whole concept of a bailout is stupid. Let's take money from productive Americans and give it to unproductive Americans, that'll fix the economy! I mean, seriously, how stupid do you have to be to think that would work? On the whole, however, it seems they are simply being lazy and covetous of what others have. They want all the reward of being a hard working business owner without having to put in and of the work, thought, or risk. Plain and simple greed.

The bailouts are $23 trillion, the equivalent of 6 full US federal budgets, paid for by taxes you pay from working at McDonalds or as a welder. If they are covetous they are only covetous for their own money.
 
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The bailouts are $23 trillion, the equivalent of 6 full US federal budgets, paid for by taxes you pay from working at McDonalds or as a welder. If they are covetous they are only covetous for their own money.

People working at McDonalds are probably getting the Earned Income Credit, meaning they get more back from US than they paid in.
 
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To quote Shakespere's third citizen in Julius Ceasar "I fear there will a worse come in his place".

"Fear Not" God

and as for people working at McDonald's, they are buying gas, PAYING rent & Utilities
and all kinds of other "taxes" and at least are not sitting on their duffs collecting
a check through direct deposit or working on some street corner as an "independant"
gang contractor.
 
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What cause are they advocating other than they want more for them and less for some others?
A greater demonstration of equality. You may not like the fact that the people with a lot of money have more political influence (and can therefore, manipulate the system to best suit their needs), but it seems a bit blighted in this day and age to assume this isn't happenning.
There are a lot of complaints that politicians don't listen to the "common man"/main street not wall street all that hoohaa. Well, if the common man actually did something to help those politicians stay in power, they'd probably listen more.

I support change I embrace change as long as change is for the better. To quote Shakespere's third citizen in Julius Ceasar "I fear there will a worse come in his place". From what I perceive as the self absorption, immaturity and covetousness of this bunch I do fear so indeed. Freedom does not seem to be high on their list of demands.
I fail to see how their self absorption, immaturity and covetousness is any less morally dangerous than the greed, abuse of power, and duplicity of the mega rich.
 
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OWS is not representative of the 99% of the non rich in the country. They actually seem to have attitudes that are more akin to those they attribute to the 1% from what I have seen and read from their own accounts that they have taken so much time to write out for everyone to see. They seem to me to be extremely self absorbed and materialistic and , seeing how they have treated the homeless, selfish.

I read about that in the New York Times today. Considering that they feed, clothe and house the homeless provided they don't disrupt the protests, can you explain in what universe their behavior towards them qualifies as "selfish"?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/01/u...sts.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=occupy homeless&st=cse
 
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You mean the same folks who are complaining about the homeless being in their ranks?

The people who are refusing to feed the homeless?

Your questions are answered in the post you are quoting, you must have not read it closely enough.
"Considering that they feed, clothe and house the homeless..."
 
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Your questions are answered in the post you are quoting, you must have not read it closely enough.
"Considering that they feed, clothe and house the homeless..."

I posted a thread yesterday about the OWS people doing nothing but complaining about the homeless. They smell bad apparently and it's the homeless folks who are causing all the violence.. not the ows.
 
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I posted a thread yesterday about the OWS people doing nothing but complaining about the homeless. They smell bad apparently and it's the homeless folks who are causing all the violence.. not the ows.

That's nice.
 
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Wait wait wait. I thought the OWS is a faceless BORG type entity that acts as one unit.

Come on people; there are going to be a wide variety of opinions and experiences so MAYBE we could just say that both of these things are happenning
 
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