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I believed with all my heart that I learned of it's [sic] truthfulness from the Holy Ghost - believed it for 39 years, in fact. Talked the talk, walked the walk, made and lived the covenants and taught the doctrine to countless people during those years, including my own seven children. Then I quite accidentally happened across real LDS history - as opposed to the Cloroxed versions you see in LDS-authorized publications. It nearly killed me - for a while I actually prayed that it would! - but ultimately I emerged victorious instead. Now I believe the Book of Mormon to be a work of fiction - the product of the very fertile imagination of Joseph Smith, Jr.
I posted to show LDS are inconsistent.
And here is an extra biblical creed for you to ponder:
Articles of Faith | Mormon.org
Yes, all Christians are brothers even if their churches don't teach all the commandments or the same principles. They most all teach Christ is our SaviorI have read much, but not all, of it. As also the Qu'ran. Same with D&C and Pearl. This was back in 75 when I lived in Utah.
I felt I was stopped for a reason, one I can better identify now. I neither hold nothing against Mormons nor follow them. They are on a path as I am on a path. I see their path, yet feel I am told to let them travel it in peace, as in some ways we differ in thought, we are used by the Father for his glory in some way that compliments each other.
It's a strange feeling, kind of like in "Knowledge", the enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of thing.
Yes, all Christians are brothers even if their churches don't teach all the commandments or the same principles. They most all teach Christ is our Savior
I happen to believe those words, thanks for the link....
That certainly is not consistent with the First Vision of Mormonism.
It is telling that Joseph Smith claims all other churches are false and the members of such are going to hell if they don't convert to Mormonism.If you are talking about the vision of Joseph Smith in which he was told "all their creeds are an abomination"- why yes it is. It does not mean they are an abomination. It means they are being led astray by words that confound the nature of God, and maybe other things as well, and that they need to come out of these false principles in order to truly follow Christ.
It doesn't damn them for trying or loving their fellow man.
It is telling that Joseph Smith claims all other churches are false and the members of such are going to hell if they don't convert to Mormonism.
So, no, Mormons do not see all believers as brothers and sisters.
If you are talking about the vision of Joseph Smith in which he was told "all their creeds are an abomination"- why yes it is. It does not mean they are an abomination. It means they are being led astray by words that confound the nature of God, and maybe other things as well, and that they need to come out of these false principles in order to truly follow Christ.
It doesn't damn them for trying or loving their fellow man.
19 that those professors were all corrupt; that: they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them.
Joseph SmithâHistory 1:15-20Â
These are statements JS made, please notice the bolded:I don't recall JS saying anything about who was going to hell. It was a matter of people being blinded by the actions of men (which I can agree with). He was merely another man who believed the church was on the wrong track due to the Nicene Creed.
It is telling that Joseph Smith claims all other churches are false and the members of such are going to hell if they don't convert to Mormonism.
So, no, Mormons do not see all believers as brothers and sisters.
22 For as in aAdam all bdie, even so in cChrist shall all be made dalive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the bfirstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his ccoming.
I don't recall JS saying anything about who was going to hell. It was a matter of people being blinded by the actions of men (which I can agree with). He was merely another man who believed the church was on the wrong track due to the Nicene Creed.
Joseph Smith holds the keys of this last dispensation, and is now engaged behind the vail in the great work of the last days. I can tell our beloved brother Christians who have slain the Prophets and butchered and otherwise caused the death of thousands of Latter-day Saints, the priests who have thanked God in their prayers and thanksgiving from the pulpit that we have been plundered, driven, and slain, and the deacons under the pulpit, and their brethren and sisters in their closets, who have thanked God, thinking that the Latter-day Saints were wasted away, something that no doubt will mortify themsomething that, to say the least, is a matter of deep regret to themnamely, that no man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith. From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding-up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ areI with you and you with me.
I cannot go there without his consent. He holds the keys of that kingdom for the last dispensationthe keys to rule in the spirit-world; and he rules there triumphantly, for he gained full power and a glorious victory over the power of Satan while he was yet in the flesh, and was a martyr to his religion and to the name of Christ, which gives him a most perfect victory in the spirit-world. He reigns there as supreme a being in his sphere, capacity, and calling, as God does in heaven.
Many will exclaim"Oh, that is very disagreeable! It is preposterous! We cannot bear the thought!" But it is true.
Prove it.That is plain false. Joseph Smith, the Bible and D & C teach that virtually all men will be saved just to different degrees of glory.
"In my Father's house are many mansions. I would not say it if it were not so. I go and prepare a place for you."
This loving part?
It's called reproving - something the Lord is allowed to do.
Man is commanded to love - reproving is a last option.
I often reprove my kids because I love them....
-- 2 Nephi 5:21And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.
Prove it.
Show us where in D&C and pearl of great price where it says all believers will be saved - outside of the Mormon religion.
Show us where Joseph Smith said what you have stated.
All you have done is quoted the Bible - of course, that's what we believe, but it is not what JS believed.
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