Who goes to hell?

MinDach · Oct 30, 2004

Mat 19:13 Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put [his] hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.

Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Bevlina · Oct 31, 2004

True_KeN said:
I know this question may get a lot of ambiguous answers and responses such as... there is no short answer to this question.

I assume that if someone believes and has faith in God and accepts God and accepts that Jesus Christ died for our sins then he will go to heaven and not hell. Are there any exceptions to this? If a baby dies will it go to hell? Can someone go to hell through ignorance of God? If someone is mentally retarded and cannot understand or apreciate the concept of God, will this person go to hell? I am not trying to debate the morality of any of these issues. I would just like as "clear cut" definition of who gets condemned to hell and who can go to heaven. I know ultimatey it is God's decision but what does the bible say on the matter and what are the commonly held beliefs in Christianity regarding what people are deserving of hell.

Thanks!!!

No honey, a baby will not go to hell. Neither will the mentally retarded who cannot grasp the concept of God and Jesus.
God looks on the heart. It is what is in our heart that is most important to God.

spreadlove4alll · Oct 31, 2004

True_KeN said:
I know this question may get a lot of ambiguous answers and responses such as... there is no short answer to this question.

I assume that if someone believes and has faith in God and accepts God and accepts that Jesus Christ died for our sins then he will go to heaven and not hell. Are there any exceptions to this? If a baby dies will it go to hell? Can someone go to hell through ignorance of God? If someone is mentally retarded and cannot understand or apreciate the concept of God, will this person go to hell? I am not trying to debate the morality of any of these issues. I would just like as "clear cut" definition of who gets condemned to hell and who can go to heaven. I know ultimatey it is God's decision but what does the bible say on the matter and what are the commonly held beliefs in Christianity regarding what people are deserving of hell.

Thanks!!!

I say if God is merciful enough to send his own Son down here to suffer what he suffered, then he would be merciful enough to give sufficient grace to someone who has not had the clear cut chance to accept his salvation. My answer is No, infants or anyone who doesn't have a chance to reject him willfully and understandably will go to hell. Only those who willfully reject him will go to hell.

DoseOFReality · Nov 1, 2004

Let me answer you in the most simplest way ever.

I am paraphrasing this.

"There is only ONE WAY to God, and that is through his son Jesus Christ. There is NO OTHER WAY. NO amount of work that can save you, Only through the grace of God."

dstrykr · Nov 7, 2004

Do babies go to hell?

And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. (Acts 16:31)

The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. (Psalms 58:3)

We have to understand that God is in complete control of generations on this earth and there are two cursed generations and two blessed generations.

and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts(Zechariah 14:21)

...and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau;for the LORD hath spoken it. (Obadiah 1:18)

The two blessed are the Jews from Jacob
...so all Israel (Jacob's bloodline) shall be saved (Romans 11:26) (See also Isaiah 45:17

Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name (Acts 15:14-16)

Ezekiel 9:5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: 6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary (foreshadow prophecy of the end times).

Those to be cut off (entire generations including children) are of the serpent seed generation. The jewish leaders at the time of Christ were not Jews, but "do lie" and are (were) of the synagogue of satan (literally). They were edomites from Esau converted to Jews. Therefore it is written:

Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. (Romans 9:7)

And

For they are not all Israel (the blessed son of Abraham), which are of Israel (the country): (Romans 9:6)

The edomites control Israel to this day. And their god, the god of forces, has placed his kingdom on the rock of the dome upon the old temple mount (Mount Zion) in Israel.

And the bible confirms that satan kills his own people (as he owns two generations)

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? 18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. 19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. 20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned. 21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

Jesus spoke of and to this generation many times calling them "generation of vipers" "serpents" "of their father, the devil". And John the Baptist confirmed his testimony.

O Generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? (Matthew 12:24)

O faithless and perverse generation (Matthew 17:17)

But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation (Luke 17:25)

From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation (Luke 11:51)

For the children of this world are in their generation wiser (craftier) than the children of light (Luke 16:8)

The men of Nineveh (built by the Masons - Nimrod's generation) shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it (Matthew 12:41)

Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation (Matthew 12:45)

So that prophecy be fulfilled, the number of transgressors (Daniel 8:23) is set and

The earth is GIVEN into the hands of the wicked (Job 9:24)

Wherefore do the wicked live, become old, yea, are mighty in power. Their seed (generation) is established in their sight with them, and their offspring before their eyes (Job 21:7-8)

So do babies go to hell? Only by the grace and mercy of God, for all things are possible. Remember, He reaps where He did not sow.

Thank God their is a rapture

In Christ
DStrykr

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[/font]And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel

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Reformationist · Nov 7, 2004

spreadlove4alll said:
I say if God is merciful enough to send his own Son down here to suffer what he suffered, then he would be merciful enough to give sufficient grace to someone who has not had the clear cut chance to accept his salvation.

And what is "chance" but the happening of something for which we know not the reason? Is this profession of "chance" as a pivitol decider of someone's eternal disposition no more than a return to the ancient view of the "fates" which determine the things beyond our control? Who, but God, controls "chance?" For that matter, when did "chance," which neither has power nor even exists, determine someone's eternal disposition? No spreadlove4alll, "chance" is nothing more than an mathmatical expression created by finite minds to determine something's probability of coming to pass. Of course, when speaking of things eternal "chance" must be put in its proper place, i.e., the theological trash can. "Chance" has nothing to do with whether someone ends up saved. The Gospel never says that salvation nor condemnation are by chance. Salvation is by grace and condemnation is by the justice of God.

My answer is No, infants or anyone who doesn't have a chance to reject him willfully and understandably will go to hell. Only those who willfully reject him will go to hell.

Let me get this straight. You're professing that salvation is the product of accepting God. Is that your belief? If so, I urge you to enlighten us all to the mysterious verse which purports that salvation is by anything other than grace alone. As a follower of God I'd be very interested in knowing where God tells us that we are saved because we accept Him. Oh, and when you enlighten me to that little tidbit of anthropocentric Scripture please also reconcile that passage with the clearest of passages which tells us that salvation is not by works but by grace. To accept God is a work. If you are saved because you do so then grace is no more and God is in your debt to rescue you.

I look forward to your reply.

God bless

squigui · Nov 8, 2004

If you don't accept Jesus you don't accept heaven, because the only way into heaven is to live a sinfree life, and no mortal can do such thing. That's why Jesus died for us, so that our sins are invisible in Gods eyes, and we will get to heaven. Babies won't get to hell, because babies and small children are still innocent in Gods eyes. Like in the "left behind" series, where the authors imagined the Rapture, all the babies and children were raptured, because they weren't old enough to have made up their mind about God yet.

God bless

dstrykr · Nov 8, 2004

To the cursed serpent generation (see above)
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: (Psalms 58:3-4)

To the blessed generations (Jews and Gentiles)
I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly (Job 22:10).

And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger (Genesis 25:23).

These were Esau and Jacob.

I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau (Malachi 1:3-4)

Please see my website for more on the cursed generations (click on "The mark of the cursed" and "Its in their blood")

Why did God kill the firstborn of Egypt? Did they go to heaven or hell?

DStrykr

SPALATIN · Nov 8, 2004

squigui said:
If you don't accept Jesus you don't accept heaven, because the only way into heaven is to live a sinfree life, and no mortal can do such thing. That's why Jesus died for us, so that our sins are invisible in Gods eyes, and we will get to heaven. Babies won't get to hell, because babies and small children are still innocent in Gods eyes. Like in the "left behind" series, where the authors imagined the Rapture, all the babies and children were raptured, because they weren't old enough to have made up their mind about God yet.

God bless

Do you have any responsibility for your own salvation? the reason I ask is because of the statements you pose regarding "accepting" Jesus. Is this a decision that is up to you?

Seems to me that if I have to do something for my salvation there will always be a question about whether I have accepted him enough or been sincere enough to be granted salvation.

Emmy · Nov 8, 2004

Dear Min Dach,you had many right replies.Whoever does not want to spend eternity with God,will go to the place without God(whatever some people call it).We have free choice.Those of us who cannot choose,God will know their hearts and He is a fair and righteous Judge.We can trust Him with all our hearts.Sincere greetings from Emmy,a sister in Christ.

Reformationist · Nov 8, 2004

squigui said:
That's why Jesus died for us, so that our sins are invisible in Gods eyes, and we will get to heaven.

Did Jesus die for all people? If so, are the sins of all people invisible in God's eyes? If so, doesn't that mean that all people will go to Heaven? Or, are you actually contending that the efficacy of Christ's atonement is determined by whether we accept Christ?

Babies won't get to hell, because babies and small children are still innocent in Gods eyes.

No one is innocent in God's eyes apart from the imputation to them of the righteousness of Christ. The issue isn't whether anyone is born innocent. The issue is whether God does a blanket imputation of the righteousness of Christ to all children. The truth is, despite so many suppositions that He does, the Bible does not say so.

Like in the "left behind" series, where the authors imagined the Rapture, all the babies and children were raptured, because they weren't old enough to have made up their mind about God yet.

The Left Behind series? The "Left Behind" series is fiction. It is not an account of the truth of the Gospel. Read those books for enjoyment but only for the enjoyment of fiction.

God bless

SPALATIN · Nov 8, 2004

Emmy said:
Dear Min Dach,you had many right replies.Whoever does not want to spend eternity with God,will go to the place without God(whatever some people call it).We have free choice.Those of us who cannot choose,God will know their hearts and He is a fair and righteous Judge.We can trust Him with all our hearts.Sincere greetings from Emmy,a sister in Christ.

I couldn't disagree with anything more completely than what you say above about free choice in the Spiritual realm. We have only one choice to reject God and go to that place of eternity without God. Only the Holy Spirit can guide us to a knowledge of eternal life with God. We don't do anything of our own will. Our will is subjugated and rendered useless in our ability to be saved.

Be careful Emmy to use scripturally sound language when discussing anything to do with who does the salvific work. The only time we have free will or choice is in the secular kingdom. We have the choice to vote for our leaders (though God puts those he wants in authority despite our free will to choose.)
We have the choice to where the red shirt or the blue shirt or no shirt at all.

But as for the Spiritual kingdom we must check our will with the Holy Spirit.

unimportantbuthisnameis · Nov 8, 2004

Anyone who rejects the gospel of Jesus Christ will go to Hell with satan and his demons (fallen angels)

Bevlina · Nov 8, 2004

Yes - sadly, those who are not willing to submit to Obedience through Jesus will be on the outer I'm afraid. And it's sad to see so many people who refuse to submit and believe in Jesus because the price is Obedience to God's Will.
Is it so hard to submit to His Will when all He wants for us is to be happy?

CCS · Nov 8, 2004

Do homosexuals go to hell too? I've heard many Christians say so, but I can't find any reference in the Testaments that say so.

As far as I can tell, in the New Testament, Jesus says nothing about homosexuals. Paul condemns them because he opposes all sexual activities, even within marriage (1 Corinthians 7:1, 5, 8-9, 29).

In the Old Testament God condemns homosexuality for his Chosen People, the Children of Israel (Leviticus 18:1-3, 22). They are to be fruitful and multiply until they become as numerous as the stars in the sky and occupy the land between the River Nile in Egypt and the River Euphrates in Iraq (Genesis 15:5, 18). God's prohibition of homosexuality applies only to the Hebrews, not to the Gentiles.

So, it seems to me, according to the Bible, if you are a Jew, you must not be gay and if you are a Christian, you must not just refrain from homosexual activities, you should not have sex at all - unless you are a weak individual who cannot practice self-control.

Am I missing something? Is there a passage in either testament which says non-Jewish homosexuals will go to Hell, or is this just another instance of the conservative sector misusing the Lords word for their own ends? If there is indeed not a word in the bible about non-Jewish homosexuals going to Hell, will those who misquote God go to Hell?

Thanks in advance. Im new to Christianity and want to get it correct.

Bevlina · Nov 9, 2004

Homosexuality is tearing the church apart today. And, we have to look at everything in context regarding that fact CCS before we condemn for we are ot permitted to condemn anyone.

Romans1:26-28 states...
"For that reason God gave them up to vile affectons; for even women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust towards one another; men with men working that which is unseemly and receiving in themelves that recompense of their error which was meet.
And, even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind to do those things which are not right."

My belief is that the non practising homosexual who loves God and refrains from unnatural desire is acceptable in the eyes of God.
This is a very long, debateable question when homosexuality is brought up.
Men lusting for men, and women lusting for women is an abomination in the eyes of God no matter who we are. The reason is that it is not natural.

The3rdhero · Nov 9, 2004

i think it comes down to your faith during your lifetime

athiests, paedophiles, murderers, rapists, theives, people who don't abide the 10 commandments etc

and i also believe that you go to your own hell. as in, there isnt one big hell where everyone is being tortured, but you suffer with the things you dispise the most for eternity!

SPALATIN · Nov 9, 2004

CCS said:
Do homosexuals go to hell too? I've heard many Christians say so, but I can't find any reference in the Testaments that say so.

As far as I can tell, in the New Testament, Jesus says nothing about homosexuals. Paul condemns them because he opposes all sexual activities, even within marriage (1 Corinthians 7:1, 5, 8-9, 29).

In the Old Testament God condemns homosexuality for his Chosen People, the Children of Israel (Leviticus 18:1-3, 22). They are to be fruitful and multiply until they become as numerous as the stars in the sky and occupy the land between the River Nile in Egypt and the River Euphrates in Iraq (Genesis 15:5, 18). God's prohibition of homosexuality applies only to the Hebrews, not to the Gentiles.

So, it seems to me, according to the Bible, if you are a Jew, you must not be gay and if you are a Christian, you must not just refrain from homosexual activities, you should not have sex at all - unless you are a weak individual who cannot practice self-control.

Am I missing something? Is there a passage in either testament which says non-Jewish homosexuals will go to Hell, or is this just another instance of the conservative sector misusing the Lords word for their own ends? If there is indeed not a word in the bible about non-Jewish homosexuals going to Hell, will those who misquote God go to Hell?

Thanks in advance. Im new to Christianity and want to get it correct.

Is Homosexuality a sin? How you answer this question will say a lot about what you believe about this. I believe it is a sin. Is it an unforgiveable sin? No. But to be forgiven of any sin whatsoever, one must repent of the sin they are guilty of committing. This means you stop sinning because you have been convicted by the Holy Spirit that what you are doing is sinful.

So will a practicing Homosexual who believes in God go to heaven? That is not for me to say as I am not his judge and don't pretend to be nor would I want to be. If they are still practicing the sin, how can they say they truly believe that God is truth? They are denying that what they are doing is sin and are in open rebellion to the truth. Base your answer on that.

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