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Is this an emotional out burst? or just a sloppy post?
Indeed Ps 111:7-8 do say what you quoted.
Indeed Jesus did say He came to fulfil and not to destroy in Mat 5:17. And Luke 24:44 says He did exactly that. Here's the verse - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning Me.
In Mat 5:17 the word pleroo means to complete. You can certianly force the definition that says to make full if you like. There simply is more than one definition to pleroo. Luke 24:44 uses the same exact word indicating that Jesus did just exactly that. Thus your interpretation of 5:18 also fails the test.
You nor anybody else follow the example that Jesus set. To keep you from thinking I'm condeming you I'll tame it down some this time. Have you walked on water? Have you said to the wind to be stil and it obeyed you immediately? Have you spoken and healed anybody? Have you fasted for 40 days? Are you married of have you been? Do you have a dozen close followers called students (disciples)?
The 10 Cs only regulate the life of an Israelite to whom they were exclusively given - Deut 5:3. They didn't exist from the begining to your dismay. One has to ignore or add to the plain statements found in Romans 5:13 and Gal 3:17, 19.
While I see and understand your point on covenants, they can be replaced as evidenced by Jer 31:31-34. The covenant made at Mt Sinai in Horeb has been replaced just as Jeremiah said and Jesus testified to in 3 Gospels.
Jesus isn't talking about the law when mentioning from the beginning.
What were the commandments and laws and laws they disobeyed? I only see one so the question becomes are the words commandments and laws plural in Hebrew? I seriously don't think so. Law as used here means direction or instruction. Commandment means required.
The consistant problem for the pro law camp is requireing the word commandments to exclusively mean the 10 Cs which isn't the case regardless what your church claims.
Gal 3:19 doesn't say something that existed came or was added after it already existed. Your position requires this verse to be in error. So show how it is in error or mistranslated. Then you also must deal with Rom 5:13 as well and in the same manner.
Please pick apart any thing I have said. Don't just offer something else. Explain exactly what is in error. Thanks. I promise to not take it personal.The bible plainly does not support your view!
I'm sorry but we have a very big difference of opinion on the subject of angels especially as they appear in the OT. There were customs of respect that are missing in society these days. In the OT they called everything or body that came to them with a respectful bowing and greating (calling them lord) of peace expecially if they didn't appear to be offensive in behavior.Can't quit get this one can they?
"...the Lamb will overcome them because he is the Lord of lords and King of kings..." Rev 17:14 I think everyone here agrees that the Lamb, Jesus Christ is being described here...
Matthew Henrys Commentary reads We read not of any appearance of God's glory to Joshua till now. There appeared to him one as a man to be noticed. This Man was the Son of God, the eternal Word. Joshua gave him Divine honours: he received them, which a created angel would not have done, and he is called Jehovah, chap. 6:2 . To Abraham he appeared as a traveller; to Joshua as a man of war. Christ will be to his people what their faith needs. Christ had his sword drawn, which encouraged Joshua to carry on the war with vigour. Christ's sword drawn in his hand, denotes how ready he is for the defence and salvation of his people. His sword turns every way. Joshua will know whether he is a friend or a foe. The cause between the Israelites and Canaanites, between Christ and Beelzebub, will not admit of any man's refusing to take one part or the other, as he may do in worldly contests. Joshua's inquiry shows an earnest desire to know the will of Christ, and a cheerful readiness and resolution to do it. All true Christians must fight under Christ's banner, and they will conquer by his presence and assistance.
It was the Word that became flesh and dwelt among us...John 1:1...Joshua was confronted by the commander of the Lord's army... this is a dead give away... Christ who is the Lord is also the commander of His army. Just as the President is the Commander in Chief...You think not? What did Joshua say? "What sayeth my Lord unto his servant?" Joshua called him "my lord"
That same personage that spoke to Moses on the mount was now speaking to Joshua...
Is English or its American cousin native language to you? If so can you explain to me how my and my father's would be the same thing? Thanks. I'll even let you have a go at the Greek here.I have a better question, how can they not be the same?
Isn't that something your brethren the SDAs came up withI have never heard as Sunday is the mark of the beast...Where do you come from on that...The mark is a mark that keeps one from buying and selling...that couldn't be Sunday or any other day...
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Is Sunday worship the mark of the beast? I am becoming convinced that the 7th day adventists might be right about this after all (I'm not an adventist, we don't have that religion over here).. I quote from William Cooper's book 'Behold a pale horse'...The Pope has challenged world leaders by claiming that the people of the world already recognise the authority of Rome because they observe the Sunday Sabbath that was ordered by the Pope in the council of Laodicea in AD 364.
The seventh day, the sabbath as handed down to Moses by God is Saturday, the celebration of Sunday as the sabbath is verification that the people recognize the Pope as superior to God''...
Well now since you have no B anymore, suppose you explain what is so funny and why.LOL ROTFLMBO....Really? Too funny...
Then please explain John 15:10 in light of what you just said. Thanks.Jesus, the Son of Man cannot be the Father and visa versa...To separate entities...but of the same family...Jesus prayed to the Father...If Jesus was the Father then He couldn't pray to himself could he?...Or he couldn't say "give me back that which I had before the foundation of the world." He died...the sacrificial Lamb...the Father raised him back up...How hard is that? If He died he couldn't resurrect himself could he? DUH!
What does that mean?Well now since you have no B anymore, suppose you explain what is so funny and why.
That is easy enough for him. One simply disregards it as the truth. So it gets mentally thrown out with the trash.sooooo..how do u account for the fact, that sin was in the world, before the law was given, proving that the transgression of Adam was not from Mosaic law?
5;13for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.
That is easy enough for him. One simply disregards it as the truth. So it gets mentally thrown out with the trash.
Did you see my previous post? What ya think about it?I get it directly from the SDA play book. I personally have photos of 3 not 1 but 3 billborad signs sponsored by an SDA congregation as proof. The pictures were all taken form signs on I-75 I think. One that I remenber the exact location of used to be at the rest stop on I-75 just before the by pass loop in Georgia South of Atlanta. Have to get out my trucker's atlas and can probably give you a mile marker number too.
Then repeat it for us slow of understanding folks, please. Tell us often enough and we might believe it. Personally I don't think that it has been refuted before and therefore can't be repeated. You've offered nothing more than a dodge.I just account it as you don't understand what the verse is saying...you don't understand the context of what Paul is speaking about...and if you did you wouldn't always talk about the same ol verse...We've beaten this thing a thousand times over the head and you still don't get it...
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I get it directly from the SDA play book. I personally have photos of 3 not 1 but 3 billborad signs sponsored by an SDA congregation as proof. The pictures were all taken form signs on I-75 I think. One that I remenber the exact location of used to be at the rest stop on I-75 just before the by pass loop in Georgia South of Atlanta. Have to get out my trucker's atlas and can probably give you a mile marker number too.I have never heard as Sunday is the mark of the beast...Where do you come from on that...The mark is a mark that keeps one from buying and selling...that couldn't be Sunday or any other day...
By the way Satan has already done his bidding even though he is still very active...Rev 12:9 "For Satan has deceived the whole world." I think this verse is what we call past tense...
Whatever it is he is laughing it off. I take it as fanny, the one we all sit on except him since he has laughed it off.What does that mean?
http://www.christianforums.com/t7595576/#post58775004[/quote By geogre I think you've got that one right, Watson.Did you see my previous post? What ya think about it?
http://www.christianforums.com/t7595576/#post58775004
I just account it as you don't understand what the verse is saying...you don't understand the context of what Paul is speaking about...and if you did you wouldn't always talk about the same ol verse...We've beaten this thing a thousand times over the head and you still don't get it...
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Ahhh...Frogster has arrived!
Don't know Ask John...thats who you are pointing the questions too...John should be back tomorrow...
RIB-IT!
I am trying yo engage Yo in a cohesive conversation about Rom 5, lets see if it happens.
He keeps saying Moses was in the Garden, yet 5;13 says sin was in the world, before Moses, so that makes me say that the sin of Adam couldn't have been from a law, that did not come till 430 after ABE.
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