White Nationalism

warrior of Christ 94 said:

Yes David Duke.

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David Duke, the member of the Ku Klux Klan? Oh yeah, white nationalism and white supremacy are completely different from each other. *Eye roll*

warrior of Christ 94 said:

That is called cognitive dissonance, you have been told for so long one story and had come to believe it, when presented with the other side, you can't process it because it contradicts what you had come to believe. Engage in some critical thinking and you will get past it.

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No, it's called being dumbfounded by such ridiculous claims. I just find it pathetic to read. I can't say what I really want to say or else I'll get into trouble.

Red Fox said:

David Duke, the member of the Ku Klux Klan? Oh yeah, white nationalism and white supremacy are completely different from each other. *Eye roll*

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David Duke has not been with the Klan in over 30 years. Since then he has been elected to the US house of representatives for the state of Louisiana, received a PhD in history, written numerous books and has spoken at over 400 universities and colleges.

Red Fox said:

No, it's called being dumbfounded by such ridiculous claims. I just find it pathetic to read. I can't say what I really want to say or else I'll get into trouble.

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Which parts?

warrior of Christ 94 said:

David Duke has not been with the Klan in over 30 years. Since then he has been elected to the US house of representatives for the state of Louisiana, received a PhD in history, written numerous books and has spoken at over 400 universities and colleges.

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That's saying a lot.. lol.

MehGuy said:

That's saying a lot.. lol.

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I notice that when people object to White Nationalism they never actually say what they are objecting to. They just call people names, or say things like "that's stupid" then don't bother to explain themselves. Or they try and deny race exists.

I think it's stupid to segregate people for no reason. Especially when the majority of the population does not want it.

As far as genes go, diversity is actually healthy. There is no natural reason for segregation.

We're able to copulate and produce offspring with one another, why bar people from that because some small tiny percentage of the population wants to boss everyone else around?

Short Circuit said:

White nationalism is one of the most reviled ideologies on earth. But what exactly is so awful about it?

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It is xenophobic and tribalistic, both negative character traits.


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MehGuy said:

I think it's stupid to segregate people for no reason. Especially when the majority of the population does not want it.

As far as genes go, diversity is actually healthy. There is no natural reason for segregation.

We're able to copulate and produce offspring with one another, why bar people from that because some small tiny percentage of the population wants to boss everyone else around?

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There's a difference between forced segregation and voluntary segregation.

For example, Christian Forums is an example of voluntary segregation. People voluntarily come here and participate in various discussions, voluntarily segregating themselves into various faith groups, discussion forums, etc. for our personal benefit.

Another example would be friendships. People voluntarily segregate themselves and associate with whomever fits their individual personality - whether based on career, sports, race, gender, etc., also for personal benefit.

Diversity is also healthy when voluntarily embraced. It is unhealthy when forced.

warrior of Christ 94 said:

I notice that when people object to White Nationalism they never actually say what they are objecting to. They just call people names, or say things like "that's stupid" then don't bother to explain themselves. Or they try and deny race exists.

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To me, the notion that "whites" are being wiped out and need to be kept separate (without a good description of what the race white is) to keep racial purity and power is based on a fear of the European dominance and privilege going away. Given how America was founded and what it is, it is just going to happen. You can either work towards helping minorities getting rights (because your group will be one eventually) or fight it and make it worse for your future generations.

Personally, I would rather bring people up then to try to keep them down.

Who are the "Minorities"?

As far as I've read, Asians compose the highest percentage of world population, then blacks, then whites.

warrior of Christ 94 said:

The problem with melting pots is that the bottom always gets burned and the scum rises to the top.
Ahh, yes the joys of diversity. It is just hard to understand how escalating crime and drugs, overburdened welfare rolls, high taxes, and failed schools are joyful. Not to mention the alienation, Muslim rape gangs, race riots, terrorism and all of the other assorted problems that go along with DIEversity. What are it benefits again? How exactly do White people benefit from diversity? Name 5 things (not including food or music) that multiculturalism has done to make the European nations better.

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Do you think that Europe was ever just one culture? Your lack of education shows in every single post you make. The culture of my nation is markedly different to the German nation, and their culture is markedly different to the Italian nation, not to mention that within these countries, other cultures exist. Have you ever been to Belgium? It is part French, part Flemish. The Flemish culture has its own language and culture. Please, please do some research, some reading of history and travel a little.

ananda said:

Who are the "Minorities"?

As far as I've read, Asians compose the highest percentage of world population, then blacks, then whites.

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I was addressing populations in the US, not the world.

Paulos23 said:

I was addressing populations in the US, not the world.

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That's fine, but I think the OP had instead in mind the world. Why are other populations allowed/encouraged to preserve their culture, all except whites?

ananda said:

That's fine, but I think the OP had instead in mind the world. Why are other populations allowed/encouraged to preserve their culture, all except whites?

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If he can come up with a definition of white culture that doesn't reference other cultures, I can't see why not. But as far as I know there is no white culture, there are many cultures with whites in them.

Paulos23 said:

If he can come up with a definition of white culture that doesn't reference other cultures, I can't see why not. But as far as I know there is no white culture, there are many cultures with whites in them.

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... kind of like "black history month" or "Asian Pacific American Heritage Month", don't you agree?

ananda said:

... kind of like "black history month" or "Asian Pacific American Heritage Month", don't you agree?

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In the broad sense, yes. But you have to be careful here, both groups are easy to identify (and have been) based on physical differences. So while both groups are not a single culture, they have been grouped together in the US to be oppressed. So they do need to pull back against that, and I hope there will be a time that it will no longer be needed.

Paulos23 said:

In the broad sense, yes. But you have to be careful here, both groups are easy to identify (and have been) based on physical differences. So while both groups are not a single culture, they have been grouped together in the US to be oppressed. So they do need to pull back against that, and I hope there will be a time that it will no longer be needed.

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Actually, I see whites being oppressed in the U.S.

warrior of Christ 94 said:

I notice that when people object to White Nationalism they never actually say what they are objecting to. They just call people names, or say things like "that's stupid" then don't bother to explain themselves. Or they try and deny race exists.

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FYI, I needed time to think about how I could address your previous post without getting into trouble. However, that doesn't mean I don't know what I'm objecting to concerning the racist based beliefs of white nationalism/white supremacy that you adhere to. Yes, I did express my disgust referring to your supposed examples of how white people are now being treated. First of all, considering how both nations of America and Canada were founded on white supremacy, white privilege, white male dominance, and on white nationalism, and how these nations were also founded on the invasion and repeated theft of sovereign tribal lands, I find it very difficult to muster up any kind of sympathy for the assertion that whites in these two countries are now having "their lands" invaded. I have even less sympathy for complaints against illegal immigration.

Secondly, considering how white Americans and white Canadians have been inadvertently benefiting from the genocide committed against both Native Americans and First Nations People, and the theft of all of their sovereign tribal lands both nations now reside on, I'm finding it difficult to muster up any kind of sympathy for the assertion that white people in both countries are now somehow suffering from inequality. And lastly, considering how both Native Americans and First Nations People have been mistreated, abused, forcibly assimilated, racially discriminated against, racially profiled, racially targeted, and have had cultural genocide committed against them, and are still dealing with cultural genocide, multiple social injustices, and the exploitation of both their people and cultures, I'm finding it difficult to muster up any kind of sympathy for the assertion that white people are now being mistreated the same as Native Americans and First Nations People have been mistreated and who still face multiple social injustices today.

So, as far as I'm concerned, as a Native American, your assertions that white people are now going through a genocide, having their "culture destroyed," and "their homelands" being invaded is wrong and misguided, and a poor excuse to further white superiority on the minority people around you. The truth is, there's a long history and legacy of white nationalism, white supremacy, and white privilege in both America and Canada. I would like to see these ideals eradicated from existence. I think there has been more than enough immeasurable and irreversible damage down in their names to last for the rest of our world's existence. The majority of the abuse, racial discrimination, racial profiling, racial targeting, and especially the cultural genocide, I have had to deal with in my life, has come from the hands of white people (and who were also Christian), and the majority of these people believed their race is superior to mine and to other minorities. However, I do realize that not all white people or even white Christians are like that, having met many in my life, but from my perspective and based on what I have experienced in my life, they are the exception and not the rule.