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Imblessed said:Have a question. Does any of you know if the American Baptist Conference is in any way reformed? I just found out our church is a member of the ABC---I think that's the name of it anyway. But I also just found out today that my pastor is teaching very reformed ideas--so far!
He was teaching on total depravity and unmerited favor today. And I'm sure he teaches OSAS--I'm not sure if you can call that perserverance of the saints or not, if there is any difference...
I don't know about the limited atonement, and really I don't think it would matter much--I'm just so happy he's teaching total depravity!!!
Imblessed said:Have a question. Does any of you know if the American Baptist Conference is in any way reformed? I just found out our church is a member of the ABC---I think that's the name of it anyway. But I also just found out today that my pastor is teaching very reformed ideas--so far!
He was teaching on total depravity and unmerited favor today. And I'm sure he teaches OSAS--I'm not sure if you can call that perserverance of the saints or not, if there is any difference...
I don't know about the limited atonement, and really I don't think it would matter much--I'm just so happy he's teaching total depravity!!!
Knight said:The website is:
www.abc-usa.org
There is no denominational teaching on this because there is no denominational government. As far as I can see the denominations exists as a resource while specific points of doctrine are on a church-by-church basis.
Imblessed said:thank you, i'll check that site out. Actually I'm glad to see that. I was at first disappointed when I found out our church "belonged" to a national group. Tim, our pastor said we belonged for the resources, the abilities you get as a group that you don't have as a 'single', if you know what I mean. Part of it, was for him at least, the ability to help in church plants....without our church "getting the credit" for it, or being "responsible"....if that makes sense. Anyway, I will check out that site.....
Imblessed said:I see what you mean about the ABC. It's more of a group of independent "baptist" denominations getting together and forming a group--strength in number and all that. I can deal with that. What I'm uncomfortable with(and this is strictly my own opinion) is churches that belong to a denominationl group that dictates what they can and cannot teach in the individual churches. I'm being very vague here, but I guess a case in point is if a denominational bigwig decides to change a policy and say that, say... gays can become priests or something like that...who did that recently? It caused a huge rift in the denomination, with split offs and such....
Obviously, there are beliefs which causes one to claim Baptist, or Quaker, or Catholic, etc etc... but "baptists" covers such a large group of people-- southern, free will, open bible, etc etc---that to claim to be a baptist is hardly informative anymore....
I'm rambling, and don't know if I'm making ANY sense at all, so I'm going to stop while I'm ahead....lol
God Bless
Knight said:Which is exactly why any denomination has to submit to the word of God.
There can be difference of opinion on the non-essentials but there must be unity in the essentials.
I could turn your case around and argue that corruption is even more likely in a church that does not have a denomination over it. Don't get me wrong, I am a member of a non-denomination church myself. However, the argument could be made.
In the early 1600's two distinct Baptist groups emerged in England. The first were the General Baptists and within twenty years, the Particular Baptists were on the scene. The terms General and Particular immediately identified their doctrinal differences. Gen-eral Baptists believed in a 'General' (or universal) atonement and were thus Arminian. The Particular Baptists held to a Particular Redemption and atonement and were Calvinistic. All Baptist historians are in agreement on this distinction in England in this time period.
Reformed/Sovereign Grace Baptists seek to return to the Puritan heritage of the Regular Baptists of the seventeenth century, a classical period in Baptist development, and recover their theology and ecclesiology. They, by and large, endorse the First London (1646), Second London (1689), and Philadelphia (1742) Confessions of Faith. They oppose, on the one hand, the evangelistic techniques of modern evangelicalism as too superficial and, on the other hand, reject the hyper-Calvinism and anti-missionism of the Primitive Baptists as too sterile.
Sovereign Grace Baptists are a result of differences with Reformed Baptists, which began about 1980, over certain doctrinal points. Sovereign Grace Baptists relate more closely to the First London Confession (1646) rather than the Second London Confession. They are more critical of Covenant Theology and place greater stress on the New Covenant.
Protestants and Baptists have a different approach to the Holy Scriptures and while some see it as a very minor difference, Calvinistic Baptists should see it as it is. Protestants, in the Westminster Confession, the Savoy Confession and the Thirty-nine Articles, etc. establish their doctrine, message and method on the whole Bible.
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