• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

Which leads to greater Evolution? Begging the Connection, or begging the Question?

Gottservant

God loves your words, may men love them also
Site Supporter
Aug 3, 2006
11,383
704
46
✟276,687.00
Faith
Messianic
Hi there,

So yes, the intelligent among you will simply reply "it depends on the selection pressure that is affecting the two alternatives!", but I wonder if simplifying it in that way, undercuts the importance of finding greater Evolution. For example, if I had a doubt that begging the connection was greater, and I found I could work more effectively by simply begging the question - would that not lead to greater Evolution, for me?

Begging the connection is fine, if you have a target change in mind and you need to inflate the importance of that target, but if you need to manipulate the expression of that target and it is not likely that pressure will come to add to the connection, on which the target is based - then you are best to just keep begging the question, hoping that some development that affects the interpretation of the target will come along? We should not be too quick to rule out the strength of what we already have?

I think basically, Evolutionists throw the baby out with the bathwater - saying "we have found more of a connection" when really it is mastering the connection we already have that is important. You could go the other way and beg the relation, but that too would be less dynamic than simply begging the question, as pertains to cognition. No one is going to say "oh, begging the question, we stopped doing that" as if there is something greater about begging the connection (to another species even, think of it!). That's really my point, you are not actually proving anything by begging something, until you have evaluated what aspect of your design (design - sic) is being affected or drawn upon, by that begging.

Maybe you have thoughts about how you stopped begging in general, it's not impossible.

Thanks,
C
 

Bungle_Bear

Whoot!
Mar 6, 2011
9,084
3,513
✟262,040.00
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
Married
Hi there,

So yes, the intelligent among you will simply reply "it depends on the selection pressure that is affecting the two alternatives!"
No, the intelligent among us will mostly ignore your thread. Those who consider replying will respond with something along the lines of "Wut? Another nonsensical Gottservant thread?"
 
Upvote 0

The IbanezerScrooge

I can't believe what I'm hearing...
Sep 1, 2015
3,443
5,826
51
Florida
✟308,070.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Democrat
This post makes no sense. I have no idea what you're trying to say, talking about or how it relates to the creation v. evolution debate that is the topic of this forum.
 
Upvote 0

Ophiolite

Recalcitrant Procrastinating Ape
Nov 12, 2008
9,113
10,019
✟269,493.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
Private
Maybe you have thoughts about how you stopped begging in general, it's not impossible.
I've decided to start begging again. I beg you to stop. Stop now. Please.
 
Upvote 0