Which Kingdom???

[stratt]

Are the Kingdom of heaven (KOH) and kingdom of God (KOG) the same thing?


I thought they were different, but now i read.....

Matthew 19

19:23
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
19:24
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."


parrallel passage in Mark 10



10:23
Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!"
10:24
The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!
10:25
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."


This would lead me to believe that they are the same..... what do you guys think?

 

[Easystreet]

I think they are used synonymously and separately. I think the best measure of the intent is the context if that will at all shed light on it.

Matthew uses "kingdom of heaven"
Mark, Luke, John uses "kingdom of God"

This alone indicates that they are use to speak of the same kingdom.

After a quick refresher they look to be used more synonymously

 

[Jerrysch]

Are the Kingdom of heaven (KOH) and kingdom of God (KOG) the same thing?


I thought they were different, but now i read.....

Matthew 19

19:23
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
19:24
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."


parrallel passage in Mark 10



10:23
Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!"
10:24
The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!
10:25
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."


This would lead me to believe that they are the same..... what do you guys think?

Well I'll thell what they are not... they are not the church.

 

[Tychicum]

Are the Kingdom of heaven (KOH) and kingdom of God (KOG) the same thing?


I thought they were different, but now i read.....

Matthew 19

19:23
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
19:24
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."


parrallel passage in Mark 10



10:23
Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!"
10:24
The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!
10:25
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."


This would lead me to believe that they are the same..... what do you guys think?

The Kingdom of God is the Universe. God has always had a Kingdom ... and its throne room is described in The Revelation chapter 4.

The Kingdom of Heaven is the part of the Universe of the Kingdom of God which was and is still promised to Israel and will be the Earthly Fleshy fulfilment in the Millennial Kingdom.

A subset.

But sometimes in Scripture they are the same meaning ... the terms are interchangable ... as the Jews could see only that which was promised them in the OT ... the Kingdom which was the promise of Israel in the OT.

For example all Matthew could see was the Kingdom of Heaven part of the Kingdom of God.

But don't feel unique. Everyone is confused over the terms from time to time. Me specially. It takes a bit of sorting out ... and context is the key ...


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[pehkay]

Matthew 21:43 indicates that the kingdom of God would be taken away from Israel. For the kingdom of God to be taken away from Israel indicates that it already was with Israel. If it had not been with Israel, how could it have been taken away?

Although the kingdom of God was there already, John the Baptist said, "Repent, for the kingdom of the heavens has drawn near" (3:2). On the one hand, the kingdom of God was there; on the other hand, the kingdom of the heavens was not yet there. Even when the Lord spoke to the Jews in chapter twenty-one regarding the kingdom of God being taken away from Israel, the kingdom of the heavens had still only drawn near. It was not until the day of Pentecost that the kingdom of the heavens came.

Therefore, in the first parable in chapter thirteen, the parable of the sower, the Lord Jesus did not say, "The kingdom of the heavens is likened to a sower," because He was already the sower before the day of Pentecost. Pentecost was the fulfillment of the second parable, the parable of the tares. Thus, in introducing that parable the Lord Jesus said, "The kingdom of the heavens was likened to...." By all this we see that the kingdom of God was already present before the kingdom of the heavens came.

Kingdom of the heavens is a term used exclusively by Matthew, indicating that the kingdom of the heavens differs from the kingdom of God , the latter being mentioned in the other three Gospels. The kingdom of God is God’s general reign from eternity past to eternity future. It comprises eternity without beginning before the foundation of the world, the chosen patriarchs (including the paradise of Adam), the nation of Israel in the Old Testament, the church in the New Testament, the coming millennial kingdom (including its heavenly part, the manifestation of the kingdom of the heavens, and its earthly part, the Messianic kingdom), and the new heaven and new earth with the New Jerusalem in eternity without end.

The kingdom of the heavens is a specific section within the kingdom of God, a section composed only of the church today and the heavenly part of the coming millennial kingdom. Hence, in the New Testament, especially in the other three Gospels, the kingdom of the heavens, a section of the kingdom of God, is also called “the kingdom of God.” In the Old Testament the kingdom of God, generally, already existed with the nation of Israel (21:43); the kingdom of the heavens, specifically, had still not come, and it only drew near when John the Baptist came (3:1-2; 11:11-12).

 

[kenneth558]

Are the Kingdom of heaven (KOH) and kingdom of God (KOG) the same thing?


I thought they were different, but now i read.....

Matthew 19

19:23
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
19:24
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."


parrallel passage in Mark 10



10:23
Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!"
10:24
The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!
10:25
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."


This would lead me to believe that they are the same..... what do you guys think?

How many kingdoms there are depends on how many kings there are.

 

[Tychicum]

How many kingdoms there are depends on how many kings there are.

How many geographic locations there are ...

For example the Kingdom of God is one place ... and the Kingdom of Heaven which God will establish under the Lord (and King) Jesus Christ upon his rule on earth from Jerusalem is another.

Now the Earthly Kingdom promised to Jerusalem ... when it is established ... will be within the Kingdom of God which is the Universe. But will only be a part of God's Universe ... not the whole.

Human flesh will reside in the earthly Kingdom of Heaven ... it is described in great detail in several of the Old Testament prophecies ... and elaborated on by Jesus in His teachings.

Human flesh will not go into God's Kingdom which is in Heaven ... as we who will be ruptured into Heaven will all "be changed".

So when you encounter the reference to the term "Kingdom" in the New Testament one has to consider which Kingdom is being discussed (in context) or risk ending up quite confused ...

 

[kenneth558]

How many geographic locations there are ...

For example the Kingdom of God is one place ... and the Kingdom of Heaven which God will establish under the Lord (and King) Jesus Christ upon his rule on earth from Jerusalem is another.

Now the Earthly Kingdom promised to Jerusalem ... when it is established ... will be within the Kingdom of God which is the Universe. But will only be a part of God's Universe ... not the whole.

Human flesh will reside in the earthly Kingdom of Heaven ... it is described in great detail in several of the Old Testament prophecies ... and elaborated on by Jesus in His teachings.

Human flesh will not go into God's Kingdom which is in Heaven ... as we who will be ruptured into Heaven will all "be changed".

So when you encounter the reference to the term "Kingdom" in the New Testament one has to consider which Kingdom is being discussed (in context) or risk ending up quite confused ...

Did you make your scripture references invisible or what?

 

[Tychicum]

Did you make your scripture references invisible or what?

My job isn't to come here and read it to you kenneth.

As you appear to be a troll and not a dispensationalist ... or even remotely interested in learning about what dispensationalists believe ... why is it you feel one of us would feel obligated to hand feed you?

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I don't think you have come to the place to where you can learn about dispensationalism ...

Return to your habitat under a bridge.

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[PrincetonGuy]

Are the Kingdom of heaven (KOH) and kingdom of God (KOG) the same thing?


I thought they were different, but now i read.....

Matthew 19

19:23
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
19:24
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."


parrallel passage in Mark 10



10:23
Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!"
10:24
The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!
10:25
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."


This would lead me to believe that they are the same..... what do you guys think?

Yes, the “kingdom of heaven” and the kingdom of God” are simply two expressions for the same thing. Matthew’s gospel, being very Jewish, very frequently uses the “kingdom of heaven,” the popular expression used by many of Matthew’s Jewish contemporaries.

Matt. 3:1. Now in those days John the Baptist *came, preaching in the wilderness of Judea, saying,
2. "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

Matt. 4:17. From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

Mark 1:14. Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God,
15. and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."

In Ephesians 5:5 we find, the “kingdom of Christ and God,” also with the same meaning. Some purveyors of new and strange doctrines like to take Scriptures out of context, twist and distort them, and deceive themselves and others into believing ear-tinkling nonsense rather than the simple message of the Gospel.

(All Scriptures are from the NASB, 1995)

 

[Tychicum]

Princeton? A Covenant man is in the house ...

 

[GLJCA]

My job isn't to come here and read it to you kenneth.

As you appear to be a troll and not a dispensationalist ... or even remotely interested in learning about what dispensationalists believe ... why is it you feel one of us would feel obligated to hand feed you?

Quote:
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
I don't think you have come to the place to where you can learn about dispensationalism ...

Return to your habitat under a bridge.

Wow, what a great Christian attitude. I have found that if you want to make a Dispy mad just ask him to provide scriptures for what he believes.

GLJCA

 

[Tychicum]

Wow, what a great Christian attitude. I have found that if you want to make a Dispy mad just ask him to provide scriptures for what he believes.

GLJCA

Yer funny. See you at the judgement seat.

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