Which came first? the rest or the law?

[DamianWarS]

Hebrews 4:9-11
For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

what we learn from this passage is God's rest is inclusive the rest of works but what's important here is rest from works is defined by how God rested from his works stating "just as God did from his". His rest comes first we cannot look at his rest through the lense of the law, as the law is a memorial to the rest but is not the rest itself. We must approach God's rest in the order it is presented to understand what the rest means and if we use any lense it's the lense of Christ to which the law points to.

Now God does not need to rest, so the purpose of his rest is not because he is in need for rest, but rather the purpose of his rest is because of the completion of his works. Before God said "Let there be light" the earth was unformed, described as a void covered in darkness and a general state of incompleteness and unrest. But then light is spoken and a transformation happens that ends in a state of completion and this completion ushers in the rest. This state is what's needed to have the rest, a state we cannot achieve by own own means.

Only God can achieve this rest because only his actions achieve completion. We seek his rest so that we too may be complete, but we do not seek completion in order to get his rest which would be a backward focus and counter-gospel. This is the work of salvation as James puts it "Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything" and this is the goal of rest to be in in a state of completion. We cannot achieve this by own own efforts and in order to partake of the rest God achieved on the 7th day our work will always come up short and we would never be able to take rest. We can call upon Christ to be yoked with his rest and through that we may obtain the state of completion "just as God did from his" and there is no other way to get this rest.

 

[HARK!]

His rest comes first we cannot look at his rest through the lense of the law, as the law is a memorial to the rest but is not the rest itself.

In the beginning was the word.

 

[DamianWarS]

In the beginning was the word.

of course, this is true, so even more so we should filter these things through the Word (Christ), not through the law. The Word is always first, even before rest, but the rest is through him and for him.

Scripture shows us "all things have been created through him and for him" (Col 1:16) so it is "him" (Christ) that we are seeking for this rest. Christ also has authority over the Sabbath as he declares himself "the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath." (Mat 12:8). So the Word has authority over the rest, it was created through the Word and was created for the Word so the rest itself is then a celebration of this back to the Word.

And it is through the Word we that we obtain that rest as Christ invites us to his rest (Mat 11:28-30). This is the rest Hebrews 4:10 speaks of first through the Word (as you have mentioned) and then we may have rest just as God rested on the 7th day which is completion. but it is through the Word first that we obtain this completion, not through any other means.

 

[HARK!]

of course, this is true, so even more so we should filter these things through the Word (Christ), not through the law. The Word is always first, even before rest, but the rest is through him and for him.

The Torah is Yah's word. Yahshua is Yah's word. What's the difference?

 

[DamianWarS]

The Torah is Yah's word. Yahshua is Yah's word. What's the difference?

We do not worship Torah. Let's be a little more critical in our thinking. Christ is not Torah but Torah point to Christ.

 

[HARK!]

We do not worship Torah. Let's be a little more critical in our thinking. Christ is not Torah but Torah point to Christ.

The Way, The Truth, The Life, The Light, The Word

(CLV) Jn 5:46
For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he writes concerning Me.

(CLV) Jn 5:47
Now if you are not believing his writings, how shall you be believing My declarations?"

 

[DamianWarS]

The Way, The Truth, The Life, The Light, The Word

(CLV) Jn 5:46
For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he writes concerning Me.

(CLV) Jn 5:47
Now if you are not believing his writings, how shall you be believing My declarations?"

We don't worship the writtings but we worship Christ. The written word is not Christ but they do point to Christ. I've lost your point here. Do you care to be less cryptic in your exchanges?

 

[guevaraj]

Which came first? the rest or the law?

Brother, happy Sabbath! The "rest" is before the law regarding the Sabbath in the Promised Land, which confused them about the days of the week, when they, with Joshua, assumed that the Sabbath in the Promised Land was the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land as it was in creation week.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

Here follows additional evidence that the days of the week are, in fact, from morning to morning recently shared in another thread confirming what Genesis tells us about the first day from morning to morning, in the special case of the first day from first light to light again in the morning.

Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day” and the darkness “night.” And evening passed and MORNING came, marking the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NLT)​

Its a really strange translation. Mia ton sabbaton in Greek is not "one of the sabbaths", but "the first day of the week".

Brother, no translation has understood the "expression" of God: "the first of the Sabbaths". It does not refer to Sunday but to Saturday being the first Sabbath, another way of referring to the seventh day of the creation week. This is necessary because the Sabbath redefined the week in the Promised Land as shown in the OP's first passage quoted. The Sabbath in the Promised Land falls and takes halves between Friday and Saturday, so you only get half of a Friday and half of a Saturday in the Promised Land, with a Sabbath taking halves between those two days, giving us the following order: Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Sabbath, and Saturday, the Sabbath being an eighth division in the seven-day week.

How Many Evenings are in a Day?

The "evening" that is not mentioned in the first passage ending the Sabbath in the Promised Land is part of a full 24-hour Saturday, as shown in the first verse quoted where God uses an "expression" that was not previously understood: "the first of the Sabbaths". This "expression" refers to the first Sabbath of creation week or another way of saying the seventh day of the week that we call Saturday. I will use Saturday for the seventh day as different from the Sabbath, which is separate from the seventh day in the Promised Land, to correct the translation of this "expression" of God. Here, "as it downs beyond Saturday" refers to the end of the second half of Saturday, the night half from evening to morning, where Jesus rose on a Saturday night after the Sabbath in the Promised Land and before the morning begins Sunday, as the days of creation are corrected from human tradition since Joshua in Hebrews 3 and 4. In conclusion, the "evening" falls in the middle of the creation days, giving us only one "evening" per creation day.

long after the Sabbath, as it downs beyond Saturday, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[DamianWarS]

Brother, happy Sabbath! The "rest" is before the law regarding the Sabbath in the Promised Land, which confused them about the days of the week, when they, with Joshua, assumed that the Sabbath in the Promised Land was the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land as it was in creation week.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

Here follows additional evidence that the days of the week are, in fact, from morning to morning recently shared in another thread confirming what Genesis tells us about the first day from morning to morning, in the special case of the first day from first light to light again in the morning.

Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day” and the darkness “night.” And evening passed and MORNING came, marking the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NLT)​

Brother, no translation has understood the "expression" of God: "the first of the Sabbaths". It does not refer to Sunday but to Saturday being the first Sabbath, another way of referring to the seventh day of the creation week. This is necessary because the Sabbath redefined the week in the Promised Land as shown in the OP's first passage quoted. The Sabbath in the Promised Land falls and takes halves between Friday and Saturday, so you only get half of a Friday and half of a Saturday in the Promised Land, with a Sabbath taking halves between those two days, giving us the following order: Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Sabbath, and Saturday, the Sabbath being an eighth division in the seven-day week.

The "evening" that is not mentioned in the first passage ending the Sabbath in the Promised Land is part of a full 24-hour Saturday, as shown in the first verse quoted where God uses an "expression" that was not previously understood: "the first of the Sabbaths". This "expression" refers to the first Sabbath of creation week or another way of saying the seventh day of the week that we call Saturday. I will use Saturday for the seventh day as different from the Sabbath, which is separate from the seventh day in the Promised Land, to correct the translation of this "expression" of God. Here, "as it downs beyond Saturday" refers to the end of the second half of Saturday, the night half from evening to morning, where Jesus rose on a Saturday night after the Sabbath in the Promised Land and before the morning begins Sunday, as the days of creation are corrected from human tradition since Joshua in Hebrews 3 and 4. In conclusion, the "evening" falls in the middle of the creation days, giving us only one "evening" per creation day.

long after the Sabbath, as it downs beyond Saturday, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

This is a digressed topic please answer the op and don't import other comments into this thread that are unrelated to the op.