Where is this country?

[little stream]

Therefore shall her plagues come in one day,death,and mourning,and famine;and she shall be utterly burned with fire:for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

 

[1watchman]

This seems to be from Rev. 17 & 18 (see wording in KJV), and it speaks there about Babylon historically and Rome in future time. Rome has represented the tyranny of Babylon again ecclesiastically and politically against God's testimony after the apostolic period. Revelation speaks of the Tribulation time to come as judgment falls by the wrath of God on this world.

 

[Radagast]

Therefore shall her plagues come in one day,death,and mourning,and famine;and she shall be utterly burned with fire:for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

Revelation says Babylon, but it obviously represents Rome, and (by extension) other secular states.

 

[ewq1938]

Therefore shall her plagues come in one day,death,and mourning,and famine;and she shall be utterly burned with fire:for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

Babylon means confusion. The Babylon of Revelation is not a literal city, and it is not Jerusalem. It is a global concept comprised of all the deceived/marked people of the world that worship the false Christ. This is why the city is portrayed as a harlot, common to be those that worship a false god. It is they which are Babylon and they which receive of the plagues. God isn't angry with buildings or cities but the people. The seven mountains on which Babylon sits represents the world. I believe the 7 is either the seven continents or possibly something like the G7, 7 major governments of the world. Either way it's the world of the deceived that make up Babylon.








897

897 Babulon {bab-oo-lone'}

of Hebrew origin 0894; TDNT - 1:514,89; n pr loc

AV - Babylon 12; 12

Babylon = "confusion"
1) a very large and famous city, the residence of the Babylonian
kings, situated on both banks of the Euphrates. Cyrus had formerly
captured it, but Darius Hystaspis threw down its gates and walls,
and Xerxes destroyed the temple of Belis. At length the city was
reduced to almost solitude, the population having been drawn off
by the neighbouring Seleucia, built on the Tigris by Seleucus
Nicanor.
2) of the territory of Babylonia
3) allegorically, of Rome as the most corrupt seat of idolatry and the
enemy of Christianity




Rome was the initial, beginning concept (a type or foreshadow) of this kind of Babylon but the endtimes version will be far more powerful and completely global. Even the great Church of Rome/Catholics shall pale in comparison.


Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Have all murders happens in Israel or Rome?

Of course not. It clearly is speaking of a limited amount of murders that only happen during Babylon's reign, which is 42 months with the beast. Babylon isn't Rome or Israel or any real place. It's the name given to the false religion and those within it's deceptions. Babylon means confusion and the confusion during the tribulation is over the false one who claims to be God. It is that lie and all those that believe it which creates Babylon. They will murder the saints and prophets and Christians during the Tribulation.


Babylon isn't a real city people...it's symbolic.

Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Babylon sits upon a beast which spans 7 mountains which I believe to symbolize the whole world.

Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Furthermore, she sits upon waters which symbolizes people, and nations and tongues, again a global concept.

The city of Babylon spans the globe, with a head quarters in Jerusalem.

Babylon means "confusion" and that confusion comes from deception...the deceived worship a false god. Babylon is a harlot because she serves a false god thus Babylon is all the deceived peoples collectively forming a symbolic city.

 

[Shempster]

Nobody knows for sure though many claim to know.
We won't know until after it happens. That was not written to tell us what is going to happen. Its meant to show after the fact that God truly does know the past present and the future. Its for HIS glory, not our petty knowledge.

Smiles!

 

[1watchman]

Babylon means confusion. The Babylon of Revelation is not a literal city, and it is not Jerusalem. It is a global concept comprised of all the deceived/marked people of the world that worship the false Christ. This is why the city is portrayed as a harlot, common to be those that worship a false god. It is they which are Babylon and they which receive of the plagues. God isn't angry with buildings or cities but the people. The seven mountains on which Babylon sits represents the world. I believe the 7 is either the seven continents or possibly something like the G7, 7 major governments of the world. Either way it's the world of the deceived that make up Babylon.

Most Bible scholars say as I am informed: "the seven mountains more likely refer to Rome, which has been called in history: 'The seven-hill city". It may be in type, as especially described in Revelation, but further judgment is stated also on "all the daughters of her", often thought of as the various religious sects which were spawned by the RC religion. That's an interesting thought. In any wise, judgment is coming, and we individually need to be on holy ground, saved, obeying and honoring God in all things.

 

[ewq1938]

Most Bible scholars say as I am informed: "the seven mountains more likely refer to Rome, which has been called in history: 'The seven-hill city". It may be in type, as especially described in Revelation, but further judgment is stated also on "all the daughters of her", often thought of as the various religious sects which were spawned by the RC religion. That's an interesting thought. In any wise, judgment is coming, and we individually need to be on holy ground, saved, obeying and honoring God in all things.

That's a very common error. They did not have benefit that we have to be able to see the past in proper context. Rome was merely a shadow of what is coming. That should be obvious because we are still waiting for the Rev 13:1 beast to appear!

 

[1watchman]

That's a very common error. They did not have benefit that we have to be able to see the past in proper context. Rome was merely a shadow of what is coming. That should be obvious because we are still waiting for the Rev 13:1 beast to appear!

I don't know how it could "be obvious because we are still waiting...", as you say, for the political Beast will take control after the Church is translated up to the Lord. This beast is not the same as the picture of Babylon and that judgment which is part of the "vials" of Revelation 16. That is when Babylon is judged both for religious and economic evils.

 

[ewq1938]

I don't know how it could "be obvious because we are still waiting...", as you say, for the political Beast will take control after the Church is translated up to the Lord.

No that happens after the trib has ended.

This beast is not the same as the picture of Babylon and that judgment which is part of the "vials" of Revelation 16.

It's the same beast. From Rev 13 to Rev 19

 

[Pamelav]

Hi.
I assumed it was a great city by waters where ships can come and go. And the place from where it rules over seven wealthy nations.

 

[ViaCrucis]

That should be obvious because we are still waiting for the Rev 13:1 beast to appear!

Are we? According to whom?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Babylon means confusion.

That's likely a folk etymology adopted by the Hebrews due to the similarity with the Hebrew word bilbel, "to confuse", but isn't the original meaning. It's unlikely that the city was deliberately named "confusion". In Akkadian babili means "gate of god", from bab and il, the latter being cognate with the Hebrew el, "mighty" or "god".

But it's not Babylon's name that is really important in the text of the Apocalypse, but what it represents. In the Apocalypse it is used to refer to Rome, comparing Rome and its imperial power to ancient Babylon, associated as it was with all manner of oppression and wickedness. She who rides the beast is the city of Rome itself, and the beast she rides is the imperial power of the emperors, arrayed in crimson/purple. She is drunk on the blood of martyrs, for the powers of Rome warred against the Church under Nero, and now again with Domitian at the reigns when John writes on Patmos. The beast "that was and is not", who had suffered a fatal wound but was revived, and made the people of the earth worship his image and bear the mark of his name: Neron Kaiser, seemingly revived and at it again through the machinations of Domitian.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ewq1938]

Are we? According to whom?

Reality.

 

[ewq1938]

That's likely a folk etymology adopted by the Hebrews due to the similarity with the Hebrew word bilbel, "to confuse", but isn't the original meaning.

Would you care to explain why the Hebrew and Greek words for Babylon both mean confusion?

H894
בּבל
bâbel
baw-bel'
From H1101; confusion; Babel (that is, Babylon), including Babylonia and the Babylonian empire: - Babel, Babylon.

G897
Βαβυλών
Babulōn
Thayer Definition:
Babylon = “confusion”
1) a very large and famous city, the residence of the Babylonian kings, situated on both banks of the Euphrates. Cyrus had formerly captured it, but Darius Hystaspis threw down its gates and walls, and Xerxes destroyed the temple of Belis. At length the city was reduced to almost solitude, the population having been drawn off by the neighbouring Seleucia, built on the Tigris by Seleucus Nicanor.
2) of the territory of Babylonia
3) allegorically, of Rome as the most corrupt seat of idolatry and the enemy of Christianity
Part of Speech: noun proper locative
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of Hebrew origin H894
Citing in TDNT: 1:514, 89

 

[ViaCrucis]

Would you care to explain why the Hebrew and Greek words for Babylon both mean confusion?

H894
בּבל
bâbel
baw-bel'
From H1101; confusion; Babel (that is, Babylon), including Babylonia and the Babylonian empire: - Babel, Babylon.

G897
Βαβυλών
Babulōn
Thayer Definition:
Babylon = “confusion”
1) a very large and famous city, the residence of the Babylonian kings, situated on both banks of the Euphrates. Cyrus had formerly captured it, but Darius Hystaspis threw down its gates and walls, and Xerxes destroyed the temple of Belis. At length the city was reduced to almost solitude, the population having been drawn off by the neighbouring Seleucia, built on the Tigris by Seleucus Nicanor.
2) of the territory of Babylonia
3) allegorically, of Rome as the most corrupt seat of idolatry and the enemy of Christianity
Part of Speech: noun proper locative
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of Hebrew origin H894
Citing in TDNT: 1:514, 89

I believe I already did. The Hebrews associated it with a similar sounding Hebrew word, and so "Babel" was understood to mean "confusion", but that isn't what Babylon originally meant--it's what it came to be associated with in Hebrew. The Greek word "babylon" is simply a Hellenization of the Semitic Babili. "Babylon" doesn't mean "confusion" in Greek.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Babylon#Etymology
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Babylon


-CryptoLutheran

 

[ewq1938]

I don't accept opinion. The Hebrew and the Greek has been established to mean confusion. Your opinions are just opinions.

I believe I already did. The Hebrews associated it with a similar sounding Hebrew word, and so "Babel" was understood to mean "confusion", but that isn't what Babylon originally meant--it's what it came to be associated with in Hebrew. The Greek word "babylon" is simply a Hellenization of the Semitic Babili. "Babylon" doesn't mean "confusion" in Greek.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Babylon#Etymology
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Babylon


-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

I don't accept opinion. The Hebrew and the Greek has been established to mean confusion. Your opinions are just opinions.

They didn't speak Hebrew or Greek five thousand years ago in Mesopotamia. That's not "opinion" that's fact.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ewq1938]

They didn't speak Hebrew or Greek five thousand years ago in Mesopotamia. That's not "opinion" that's fact.

-CryptoLutheran

And? Your claims that Babylon doesn't mean confusion is wrong, plain and simple.

H894
בּבל
bâbel
baw-bel'
From H1101; confusion; Babel (that is, Babylon), including Babylonia and the Babylonian empire: - Babel, Babylon.

H1101
בּלל
bâlal
BDB Definition:
1) to mix, mingle, confuse, confound
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to mingle, confuse
1a2) to mix
1a3) to give provender, feed (animals)
1b) (Hithpoel) to mix oneself (among others)
1c) (Hiphil) to fade away
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: a primitive root
Same Word by TWOT Number: 248



G897
Βαβυλών
Babulōn
Thayer Definition:
Babylon = “confusion”
1) a very large and famous city, the residence of the Babylonian kings, situated on both banks of the Euphrates. Cyrus had formerly captured it, but Darius Hystaspis threw down its gates and walls, and Xerxes destroyed the temple of Belis. At length the city was reduced to almost solitude, the population having been drawn off by the neighbouring Seleucia, built on the Tigris by Seleucus Nicanor.
2) of the territory of Babylonia
3) allegorically, of Rome as the most corrupt seat of idolatry and the enemy of Christianity
Part of Speech: noun proper locative
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of Hebrew origin H894
Citing in TDNT: 1:514, 89