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Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

Is there a "gap" in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9"


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Anyone find Jesus answer to Peter in Matthew 18:21-22 interesting?

21 Then Peter came and said to Him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?
22 Jesus *said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.

On this passage, I think Jesus is modeling His sacrifice for sin and the 490 years of Daniel. Even though the 70 weeks of years are not fully complete, Jesus' sacrifice comes in the middle of the 70th week!
 
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Can you show us the mortals that remain alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46?
Can you explain how mortals will survive the "flaming fire" found in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10?


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BAB....You can discuss the "Rapture" on this thread:

RAPTURE!! OR LEFT BEHIND????

Debuting in 1981, the music video was the first rap video ever broadcast on MTV. It took place in the East Village section of Manhattan
 
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Yes, and very interesting indeed. Thks for posting that
Sounds similar to Genesis 4:24

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

"seventy"
occurs 97 times in 96 verses in the NKJV.

OT

1st time used

Gen 4:24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, Then Lamech seventy-sevenfold.”

Last time used:

Zec 7:5
“Say to all the people of the land, and to the priests: ‘When you fasted and mourned in the fifth and seventh months during those seventy years, did you really fast for Me—for Me?
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NT

Used in only 3 verses of the Gospels:

Mat 18:22
Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.

Luk 10:1
After these things the Lord appointed seventy others also, and sent them two by two before His face into every city and place where He Himself was about to go.
Luk 10:17
Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.”
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Some interesting info on the number 70 used in the Bible:
https://www.[bless and do not curse.../bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/70.html

The Meaning of Numbers: The Number 70
Seventy has a sacred meaning in the Bible that is made up of the factors of two perfect numbers, seven (representing perfection) and ten (representing completeness and God's law). As such, it symbolizes perfect spiritual order carried out with all power. It can also represent a period of judgment.

Seventy (70) elders were appointed by Moses (Numbers 11:16). After reading the covenant God gave him to read to the people, Moses took 70 elders, along with Aaron and his sons, up Mount Sinai to have a special meal with God himself (Exodus 24:9 - 11)!

Ancient Israel spent a total number of 70 years in captivity in Babylon (Jeremiah 29:10). Seventy is also specially connected with Jerusalem. The city kept 70 years of Sabbaths while Judah was in Babylonian captivity (Jeremiah 25:11). Seventy sevens (490 years) were determined upon Jerusalem for it to complete its transgressions, to make an end for sins and for everlasting righteousness to enter into it (Daniel 9:24).
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Biblical significance of number seventy

Seventy has a stunning meaning in the Bible. The word “seventy” is used 56 times in the Holy Bible. The number seventy (70) is made up of two numbers — seven, representing perfection and ten representing completeness and God’s law. One may wonder, why the Holy Bible is saturated with the number seven and with multiples of seven like the number seventy. This is indeed a Biblical mathematical phenomenon that remains a mystery to this day. What is true, however, is that seven is God’s favorite number. The proof? The Holy Bible. Throughout the Bible (Genesis to Revelation) the number seven appears many times. Seven is used 735 times in the Holy Bible. In the Book of Revelation, seven is used 54 times. The word “seventh” is used 98 times while the word “sevenfold” appears seven times.

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Let me share some instances in the Holy Bible where the number seventy is mentioned:

  • After the flood, the world was repopulated through seventy descendants of Noah.
  • In the Book of Jeremiah 25:11-12, the Israelites were exiled in Babylon for seventy years.
  • In Matthew 18:21-22, Jesus said to forgive seventy times seven.
  • In Numbers 11:16, Moses appointed seventy elders of Israel and brought them to the tabernacle of the congregation.
  • In Exodus 24:9-11, Moses took seventy of the elders of Israel together with Aaron, and his sons went up Mount Sinai and ate and drank with God himself. This tribunal of seventy elders was eventually called the Sanhedrin. The Sanhedrin was the ancient Jewish court system.
  • In Luke 10, seventy disciples were sent out by Christ on a “training mission” to preach the Gospel to the surrounding area.
  • In Exodus 1:5, a total of seventy Israelites, the offspring of Jacob, went down to Egypt and started the Jewish population in Egypt which later swelled to over two million by the time of Exodus;
  • In the Book of Matthew and in the other books of the Bible (Luke, John, Mark), there are at least seventy parables during the ministry of Jesus Christ;
  • In the Book of Daniel 9:24, “seventy weeks are determined upon Jerusalem and its people to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins and to make reconciliation for integrity and to bring an everlasting righteousness and to seal up the vision and prophecy.”
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the apostate portion of Israel is shown entering into a covenant with Death? Who is the Angel of Death and when did he and the apostate portion of Israel enter into that covenant.
they will be injuredAJ)'> and snared and captured.AK)'>

14 Therefore hear the word of the Lord,AL)'> you scoffersAM)'>
who rule this people in Jerusalem.
15 You boast, “We have entered into a covenant with death,AN)'>
with the realm of the dead we have made an agreement.
When an overwhelming scourge sweeps by,AO)'>
it cannot touch us,
for we have made a lieAP)'> our refuge
and falsehoodb]' data-fn="#fen-NIV-18180b">[b] our hiding place.AQ)'>”

16 So this is what the Sovereign Lord says:

“See, I lay a stone in Zion,AR)'> a tested stone,AS)'>
a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation;AT)'>
the one who relies on it
will never be stricken with panic.AU)'>
17 I will make justiceAV)'> the measuring line
and righteousness the plumb line;AW)'>
hailAX)'> will sweep away your refuge, the lie,
and water will overflowAY)'> your hiding place.
18 Your covenant with death will be annulled;
your agreement with the realm of the dead will not stand.AZ)'>
When the overwhelming scourge sweeps by,BA)'>
you will be beaten downBB)'> by it.
19 As often as it comes it will carry you away;BC)'>
morning after morning,BD)'> by day and by night,
it will sweep through.”

The understanding of this message
will bring sheer terror.BE)'>

we find that these things happen when the Lord returns to carry his strange work, judgment.

Heading out to lake for the week with family will answer as often as possible. thanks for the discussions and in this case patience
 
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jgr said:
Therein lies the problem. You will notice that both of those commentators, and doubtless any others whom you've referenced, are all post-18th-century. They do not reflect historical Christian prophetic understanding.
Vicky gould said:
the Millennial Reign of Christ.
LittleLambofJesus said:
Hello. How is this related to the topic of this thread?

There are a plethora of Millennial threads on CF..........
Hello Vicky. How does that relate to the topic of the 70 weeks? Please start a thread on that......
Enjoy your week at the lake............
 
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It is positively dishonest to present the comment of Clement of Alexandria on this point as if it were the opinion of the early church. You know perfectly well that this document by Clement of Alexandria is the ONLY surviving Christian commentary from this period which did NOT present the seventieth week as remaining to be fulfilled in the future. It was CLEARLY presented as future by BOTH Irenaeus and Hippolytus, who both wrote within fifty of so years of the time when Clement of Alexandria wrote.
 
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Hello Vicky. How does that relate to the topic of the 70 weeks? Please start a thread on that......
Enjoy your week at the lake............
The passage from Isaiah shows the culmination of the gap when the angel of death, anti-Christ, enters into that final covenant the apostate portion of Israel.
 
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The passage from Isaiah shows the culmination of the gap when the angel of death, anti-Christ, enters into that final covenant the apostate portion of Israel.
Yes, the destroyer mentioned in Exodus 12 is also mentioned in Revelation 9.
I have a thread on the significance of Titus sieging Jerusalem on the Passover 70AD
Those sealed with the blood of the Lamb escaped in 70AD.............

Titus sieges Jerusalem on Feast of Passover/Destroyer in Revelation

Exo 12:11
11 ‘And thus you shall eat it: with a belt on your waist, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand. So you shall eat it in haste. It is the LORD’s Passover<6453>.
23 And Yahweh passes<5674> to strike the Egyptians and He sees the blood on the lintel and on two of the jambs and Yahweh passes-over<6452> the portal and not He shall allow the ruiner/destroyer<H07843>/<G1842 oleqreuonta> to come to houses of ye to strike.[Revelation 9:11]
7843 shachath a primitive root;
to decay, i.e. (causatively) ruin (literally or figuratively):--batter, cast off, corrupt(-er, thing), destroy(-er, -uction), lose, mar, perish, spill, spoiler, X utterly, waste(-r).
שָׁחַת (shachath), occurs 147 times in 136 verses
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The destroyer mentioned in Exodus 12:23 is also mentioned in Revelation 9:11 concerning 1st century Jerusalem:

Revelation 9:11
and they are having of them a king the Messenger of the Abyss, name to him to Hebrew destroyer/ruiner <3>, and in the Greecian name is having destroyer/apolluwn<623/622> [Exodus 12:23]
623. Apolluon active participle of 622; a destroyer (i.e. Satan):--Apollyon.
622. apollumi ap-ol'-loo-mee from 575 and the base of 3639; to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively:--destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.
3639. olethros from a primary ollumi (to destroy; a prolonged form); ruin, i.e. death, punishment:--destruction.
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The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover; and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah! At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country, and from distant parts, to keep the festival. How suitable and how kind, then, was the prophetic admonition of our LORD, and how clearly he into futurity when he said "Let not them that are in the countries enter into Jerusalem." Luke xxi. 21.
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Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "a measure of grain/wheat a denari and three measures of barleys a denari,
and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring"."
 
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Why don't you read the posts first?

The discussion was about the identity of the prince in Daniel 9:26.

What do you think "with the possible exception of Irenaeus" means?

Hippolytus was his pupil, so did not represent an independent view.

Who other than they claimed that the prince in Daniel 9:26 was antichrist?
 
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Hello jgr.
I just remembered I had a thread on that........wanna bump it up?
[so many threads and so little time.........]

Daniel 9:26 "people of a prince one coming"

Compelling historical evidence.

To counter the futurist and his folly.
 
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You always come up with such great stuff and your presentation is as good as there is. Are you knowledgeable of the post apostolic leaders whose writings we have today? I was under the impression that almost to a man they believed Daniel’s 70 Weeks was futurist
 
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Great stuff the number 70, thanks. For posting it
 
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No.

The following is found in the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.

Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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When the Lord spoke of the coming destruction He clearly foresaw it as futurist. These things are not connect to his first coming. They are fulfilled at His Return. Also he spoke of the entire temple and complex of being cast down. The problem comes from our reading Josephus where are told the Roman soldiers used part of the unfallen wall as shelter. Yes I know these were the outward wall. But let’s consider this that the Lord teaches every stone would be cast or thrown down. Josephus’ account clearly shows not all the bricks were cast down but fell because of the fire. Was the Lord unable to prophesy events only 40 years in the future.
 
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A question did Zechariah in the 11th chapter of his speak prophesy or history?
 
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The 40 year does not fit, because not all the stuff occured in that time, there was not even an abomination of desolation, titus destroyed the temple, he did not put an abomination which makes it desolate.

Titus was not a prince either let alone this prince. This is the only prince who is foretold to becoming his moniker is the Prince of the world. This is the beast ascending out of the pit
 
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These things are not connect to his first coming. They are fulfilled at His Return. Also he spoke of the entire temple and complex of being cast down.

What do we find in the summary of Daniel 9:24, which was fulfilled during the first century?


Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.


Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; (Quoted from Jeremiah 31:31-34.)
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.


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