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I believe the Holy Spirit, Gabriel, and Daniel were correct.
You don't?
Please preface your assertion with ~you believe ...~.
“[Per Young] This phrase has reference to the issuance of the word, not from a Persian ruler but from God. Young goes on to point out that the expression the commandment, which he insists is better translated “a word” (Heb. Dābār; cf. 2Ch 30:5) is also found is Daniel 9:23 for a word from God.”[1]
[1] John Wolvoord, Daniel, The Key to Prophetic Revelation, Moody Press, Chicago, 1971, p. 224
Perhaps you need to find the SCRIPTURAL SOURCE for the "issuance of the word".
Thanks,
DaDad
It's in Hebrew. Check your Hebrew interlinear. The same words appear there.No one buys ~a pair of shoes which cost 7 and 62 dollars plus tax~.
My position is clear. Do you have a PRECEDENT, -- in ANY Scripture, or ANY Society? Or do you assume that the "translators" are the "Holy Spirit"/"Gabriel"/"Daniel"?
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I wonder what the word was. He insists it's "a word" so it could only be one word. Any idea what it was?
It's in Hebrew. Check your Hebrew interlinear. The same words appear there.
Maybe your problem is that you're trying to talk English while the Holy Spirit, Gabriel, and Daniel were talking Hebrew.
Yes, they certainly are past, with Messiah accomplishing everything He came to do.Did you miss the statement: "the seventy weeks are PAST"?
Rev. 13 says: "let him who is wise". I thought everyone posting their views on this Forum had met that criteria. -- Strange.
Thanks,
DaDad
Neither the KJV nor the NASB nor the YLT, with the latter two particularly recognized for accuracy and literality, translate it thus.Maybe the Hebrew sentence structure confuses your English Language mind. It's TWO durations, with TWO "anointed ones"; -- one after the "seven", and a second after the "sixty-two".
Otherwise PLEASE PROVIDE A PRECEDENT in ANY Scripture, or ANY Society for:
~a pair of shoes which cost 7 and 62 dollars plus tax~.
RSV: 9:25 Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.
Thanks,
DaDad
In the KJV, the word is "commandment". That does allow for a declaration. But your commentator changed it to "a word". So you better take him at his "word" (pun intentional).Are we a little too concise. It's not ONE word, it's a DECLARATION. And yes, it's in SCRIPTURE. Imagine THAT.
DaDad
There is no distinction between Jews and Gentiles in the Body of Christ.
Paul had to correct Peter over this issue in the Galatian church.
Gal_2:11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed;
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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Where in dan 9 does it say this will happen in the 70th week?Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
(Christ commanded that the Gospel be taken "first' to the house of Israel. Since 4 Passovers can be found in the New Testament, most Bible scholars believe the earthly ministry of Christ lasted about 3 1/2 years.)
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
(On the Day of Pentecost about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant found in Matthew 26:28.)
Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
(Quoted from the promised of the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34.)
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Gal 1:14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
Gal 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
Gal 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Gal 1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. (Paul went up to see Peter about 3 years after his conversion.)
The Gospel was taken to the Jews "first" for a period of about 7 years before Paul began his ministry to the Gentiles.
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When did messiah commit the abomination of desolation by placing an idol in the holy place in the middle of the 70th week?Neither the word "antichrist", nor any implication of antichrist, appear in the passage.
The grammatical antecedents of the "he's" in verse 27 resolve back to Messiah.
Where is this found in scripture?Letter from Cyrus to governor Sisinnes and ruler Sathrabuzanes, leaders in Syria and Phenice, confirming authorization to rebuild the city as well as the temple.
“KING CYRUS TO SISINNES AND SATHRABUZANES SENDETH GREETING.
"I have given leave to as many of the Jews that dwell in my country as please to return to their own country, and to rebuild their city, and to build the temple of God at Jerusalem on the same place where it was before. I have also sent my treasurer Mithridates, and Zorobabel, the governor of the Jews, that they may lay the foundations of the temple, and may build it sixty cubits high, and of the same latitude, making three edifices of polished stones, and one of the wood of the country, and the same order extends to the altar whereon they offer sacrifices to God. I require also that the expenses for these things may be given out of my revenues. Moreover, I have also sent the vessels which king Nebuchadnezzar pillaged out of the temple, and have given them to Mithridates the treasurer, and to Zorobabel the governor of the Jews, that they may have them carried to Jerusalem, and may restore them to the temple of God. Now their number is as follows: Fifty chargers of gold, and five hundred of silver; forty Thericlean cups of gold, and five hundred of silver; fifty basons of gold, and five hundred of silver; thirty vessels for pouring [the drink-offerings], and three hundred of silver; thirty vials of gold, and two thousand four hundred of silver; with a thousand other large vessels.343 I permit them to have the same honor which they were used to have from their forefathers, as also for their small cattle, and for wine and oil, two hundred and five thousand and five hundred drachme; and for wheat flour, twenty thousand and five hundred artabae; and I give order that these expenses shall be given them out of the tributes due from Samaria. The priests shall also offer these sacrifices according to the laws of Moses in Jerusalem; and when they offer them, they shall pray to God for the preservation of the king and of his family, that the kingdom of Persia may continue. But my will is, that those who disobey these injunctions, and make them void, shall be hung upon a cross, and their substance brought into the king's treasury." And such was the import of this epistle. Now the number of those that came out of captivity to Jerusalem, were forty-two thousand four hundred and sixty-two.
It does?... and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate ...
This is to say, that the a/c "shall come" after the seventy "weeks".
And history confirms this fulfillment.
Thanks,
DaDad
If artexerxes started his reign in 465 Bc, and gave the command to restore jerusalem in 445 bc, how did cyrus give a decree in 457BC when artexerxes was in power? Oh and anothe fact, he died in 530BC, how could give a command 70 years after he died?The decree of Cyrus is the correct starting point for the 70 weeks.
In 1913, Martin Anstey released "The Romance of Bible Chronology", which calculated dates based exclusively on the contents of Scripture. His date for Cyrus' decree was 454 BC. Other calculations using similar methodology have ranged up to 457 BC, an acceptable margin of variance.
Anstey's calculations also revealed the error in the secular Ptolemaic chronology, which some attempt to use.
Beginning dates of 457 - 454 BC place the beginning of the 70th week at 26 - 29 AD, with Christ's crucifixion at 29.5 - 32.5 AD. These dates are within generally accepted ranges.
With proper datings and methodologies, there are no issues in ascertaining the details of the 70 weeks.
Where in dan 9 does it say this will happen in the 70th week?
Daniel is told the messiah will be cut off after 69 weeks.daniel is told messiah will be after 69weeks
2.the ot propet said messiah will be given or seen by jerusalem, entering on a donkey.
Sacrifice continued for another 4 decades, so jesus did not put an end of sacrifice.
Jesus was cut off, cut down, killed,
And i showed you the decree of cyrus, he gave the decree to rebuilt the temple, not the city,
Sorry but i must go by what the word says in who actually did it, by the decrees themselves,
Again, if cyrus did it, then the 70weeks ended before jesus was born, so sorry but huge issues there
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
If I agree to paint your house "after" 69 weeks, it will not be painted until the 70th week or later.
Even if He had died on the day that the 69th week ended, He would rise from the dead during the 70th week.
Daniel is told the messiah will be cut off after 69 weeks
This is a different prophecy, which is from zechariah. it does not mention 69 weeks.
I agree
Please read out loud to yourself the highlighted section of this passage in Isaiah:
Isaiah 44:28
who says of Cyrus, ‘He is my shepherd,
and he shall fulfill all my purpose’;
saying of Jerusalem, ‘She shall be built,’
and of the temple, ‘Your foundation shall be laid.’”
So is Isaiah a false prophet because you say Cyrus did not decree the city to be rebuilt and yet Isaiah prophecies that Cyrus will rebuild the city? who should I believe? you or scripture?
I suggest researching the issues with ptolemy's cannon for dating secular history.
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