There is some evidence that there are diverse kinds of tongues 1 Cor 12:10
We also read that
“ 1 Corinthians 14:2. For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.”
Here it says tongues is unto God and no man understands him.
Yet in Acts 2 we read, That this tongue event every man understood them in their own tongue.
Acts 2:4. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance...6. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language...8. And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?”
So some distinction
No, YOU see nothing written like this. And im sure any effort to show you them will be summarily dismissed without consideration. I did post one answer to this in its own thread, but I'm not going to do that here because you won't consider it anyway
The title of the thread is "Where is the biblical proof for a private prayer language in tongues?"But the point of the OP is asking for biblical evidence for private prayer in tongues done behind closed doors.
The words of Jesus in Mat.6:6 "When thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray."I heard of this by others, and yet there is no real biblical proof for it. That is what I am talking about here in this thread. We need Scriptural evidence for such a spiritual practice that clearly involves some kind of working beyond our physical realm.
This is not biblical evidence in support for a private prayer done in tongues.
Oh, and please take note that I am always open to hearing what the Bible says. I have even changed my beliefs based on the light of what Scripture says. However, the problem you run into is that I know that you will not find such a clear verse or two to support a private prayer language in tongues.
The title of the thread is "Where is the biblical proof for a private prayer language in tongues?"
It said nothing about "prayer behind closed doors".
The words of Jesus in Mat.6:6 "When thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray."
I know of it because I read what the apostle Paul taught of it.. the difference between private prayer in tongues, and the ministry use of speaking in tongues and prophesying. I've posted of it some number of weeks ago somewhere on this forum.Like in the recent video I posted, it is understood by both Continuationists and Cessationists that prayer in tongues in private is in reference to praying in tongues behind closed doors vs. speaking in tongues publically to the edifying of the church via an interpreter.
If you were unaware of this before, that's okay. I am now informing you of this truth or fact, my friend.
I know of it because I read what the apostle Paul taught of it.. the difference between private prayer in tongues, and the ministry use of speaking in tongues and prophesying. I've posted of it some number of weeks ago somewhere on this forum.
Show me in the Scripture where it says this was going to happen.
The reference you give to to Acts 2; Peter actually stated that the "last days" commenced with Pentecost. You skipped verse 16 which says "This is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel." in reference to them speaking foreign languages.
So if that was the case; why would the signs disappear and then come back?
Scripture talks about them vanishing away. It says nothing about them reemerging.
I thought you guys maintained that modern tongues as we believe are being displayed through an act of the Holy Spirit are not expressions of real words.The problem is that you think the groanings can be uttered or expressed in words, when the Scriptures say the exact opposite of that fact.
You error - not rightly dividing the Word of Truth.To speak in tongues in private would be the misuse of a spiritual gift. All the gifts were meant to be used for the benefit of others:
1 Cor 12:7 "Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good."That is why Paul was so critical of the Corinthians. They spoke in other tongues but without translation no one in the small congregation understood. They were only edifying themselves, when they should have been edifying the church.
1 Peter 4:10 "Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, as faithful stewards of God’s grace in its various forms."
Okay then.. What I am saying is important to the subject ---The main issue to me is that you are already closed off to the Baptism of the Spirit it seems. It's your loss...and also those to whom you are sent to. Tongues edify oneself. They build you up in your most holy faith, keeping you in the love of God.
Paul's statements that If I pray in a tongue my spirit prays, my understanding is unfruitful. 1cor14:14 is wonderous.
It is awesome to be driving your car, taking a shower, riding a bike, weeding the garden, and to pray in tongues, knowing that it is your spirit praying to the FAther - who is a Spirit by the way and He fully understands all that you are saying because it is not just YOU saying it....it is the HOLY SPIRIT joined with your spirit as ONE SPIRIT-1Cor 6:17
You and the Spirit of Jesus pray together in a language that you do not need to understand...and nobody else needs to understand it, especially the demonic realm. God understands it. Paul says so right at the start of 1 Cor 14
Howbeit in the spirit he speaks mysteries to God....
The hidden thing you speak is ONLY hidden, only a mystery to you...to your understanding...not God's! By praying with your spirit(as Paul defined tongues in 1co14:14)to God, you and the Holy Spirit(Who is joined to your spirit-1co6:17)you are praying our some hidden secret that is working all things together for good for you and maybe for others.
You don't have to worry about what your'e praying....just leave it with Father.
But it's this natural man that demands proof from God BEFORE it will surrender that hinders you.
my diary from a trip to India---https://condemnednomore.com/2009/07/17/evangelism-in-india/
Paul's whole point here is to show that the Corinthians needed to have an interpreter present so as to prophecy and edify the body of Christ.
I thought you guys
You said:maintained that modern tongues as we believe are being displayed through an act of the Holy Spirit are not expressions of real words.
One guy even went so far as to call them "gobblely gook".
You said:Look - You know all of the various scriptures which come into play on this subject. Don't ask others to provide what you already know.
You said:The vast majority of those across the world who are trying their best to enter into these things of the Spirit which they find in the scriptures related to tongues, see these various passages as meaning pretty much the same as I do.
If you think that they mean something else and you enter in in some other way - then please tell us how you apply these various verses in your life and maybe millions will get in line with you.
You said:If you don't have a better way of applying these things and you don't apply these things in your life - then leave those millions of Spirit filled believers who do alone.
Perhaps you think that there is some danger that we are in by misapplying them in some way. I assure you, according to the words of the Lord Jesus, that neither we nor you need worry about that.
The charismatic people of God in every culture and speaking every language where Christ is believe on for salvation and nourishment and leading from the Holy Spirit can get along just fine without your muck raking.
With all due respect I can testify to three different tongues gifts.
One for interpretation.
One for personal edification.
One for spiritual rebuke.
You will demand - where is that in the bible.
I will reply the bible is not exhaustive on all topics and your analysis is myopic.
The verses you reference make sense when you realise that Paul was wanting to stop folks with the personal gift that does not have interpretation, from exercising this personal gift in a public setting and therefore bringing confusion...
Do it at home but not in the church...
This is a common error today in many congregations.
So it has nothing to do with having someone to interpret - the private tongue isn't for interpretation.
The spiritual gifts were for the Jews as a sign. Especially tongues. The gift of tongues was primarily for the unbelieving Jew because they took a foreign tongue as a sign of judgment. Think... the Tower of Babel. Think... the Jewish Exile.
You error - not rightly dividing the Word of Truth.
One who speaks in a tongue does edify himself just as he is instructed to do - building himself up in his most holy faith.
But we are all part of one body and when one is built up according to scriptural principles we are all built up.
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