Where is a direct and explicit explanation of the Trinity found within the Bible?

[Runningman]

Just looking for a comprehensive and explicit outline of the Trinity explained in the Bible. Thank you.

 

[Clare73]

Just looking for a comprehensive and explicit outline of the Trinity explained in the Bible. Thank you.

Four pages after the comprehensive and explicit statement "God exists," that being two pages after "There is a God."

You need to settle the question of Jesus first.

"And the Word was God. . .the Word (who was God) became flesh." (Jn 1:1, 14).

Request answered in post #20.

 

[BobRyan]

Just looking for a comprehensive and explicit outline of the Trinity explained in the Bible. Thank you.

One God -- Deut 6:4
In THREE Persons -- Matt 28:19

 

[Mark Quayle]

Just looking for a comprehensive and explicit outline of the Trinity explained in the Bible. Thank you.

R-man, you are asking the question from the wrong point of view. God need not explain anything to us. God is the only thing that is what it is, brute fact. God is the default. Questions need to be asked from that point of view, starting with that fact.

We don't need to understand what the Trinity is. But if one insists on self-determination, the integrity of the human free will apart from God, then that one must answer to God, why he doesn't understand what God is.

Pursue God whole-heartedly; maybe you will begin to see all three as the one God, just as the Bible demonstrates time and time again.

 

[HTacianas]

Just looking for a comprehensive and explicit outline of the Trinity explained in the Bible. Thank you.

There is no comprehensive and explicit outline of the Trinity explained in the Bible.

 

[Runningman]

There is no comprehensive and explicit outline of the Trinity explained in the Bible.

Thank you.

 

[Neogaia777]

There is no comprehensive and explicit outline of the Trinity explained in the Bible.

It is up to us to figure out and discern by what Jesus, and the Bible, and the NT has to say about it, and Jesus claims about it, because it is most definitely in there, and is in there everywhere, etc.

My work on a book I am making, which I will link below, was recently halted by the question of Jesus and the possibility of him quite literally being God in the OT, etc? It's at least a possibility I need to include or acknowledge in it at least, etc, even if it's just going to be in the appendixes that I am going to be making, or as a footnote, etc.

It is my belief that Jesus claimed to either be or be equal to God in the OT, but also that there both and always was/is, etc, a God higher than him, or higher than both of them, etc, but that the other two along with Him make up the real true Trinity, etc.

If Jesus is quite literally God in the OT who made everything and walked and talked with Adam, and walked and talked with the Pastors/Prophets/Priests in the OT, etc, then He has changed quite a bit by the time he shows up in the NT, when the Bible says he does not change who he is, which seems to have changed almost 100% completely by the time of the NT, etc.

My current theory is that God in the OT is God the Spirit, or God the Holy Spirit, as Jesus calls or renames him in or by the NT, etc, and that Jesus is a/the son of both that God in the OT, and this Higher One that Jesus is now introducing us to in the NT, etc.

But Jesus could quite literally be that God/God in the OT, and the Holy Spirit is just not in the forefront as God in the OT, but is a helper of that One, who is mainly Jesus maybe, etc?

Or God in the OT could have been/always be God the Spirit, or God the Holy Spirit, etc?

Either way, I am still working on it, but hope to be able to do more with this book I am writing very soon.

If you want to see what it is right now currently, here is the link: Starting a writing/book...?

I am trying to analyze and consider all the possibilities with it before proceeding further with it, etc, and this is one that has recently come up, etc.

I do not latch onto any possibility until I know how likely they are, or how possible it/they are, or it is, etc. I am currently right now exploring this one right now, and am weighing it with what I think I know right now currently, etc.

For certain Jesus was introducing us to a God that was higher than both him and God in the OT though, etc.

And claimed to be now showing us that One through and by himself now, etc, along with a lot of other claims, etc.

God Bless.

 

[HTacianas]

It is up to us to figure out and discern by what Jesus, and the Bible, and the NT has to say about it, and Jesus claims about it, because it is most definitely in there, and is in there everywhere, etc.

My work on a book I am making, which I will link below, was recently halted by the question of Jesus and the possibility of him quite literally being God in the OT, etc? It's at least a possibility I need to include or acknowledge in it at least, etc, even if it's just going to be in the appendixes that I am going to be making, or as a footnote, etc.

It is my belief that Jesus claimed to either be or be equal to God in the OT, but also that there both and always was/is, etc, a God higher than him, or higher than both of them, etc, but that the other two along with Him make up the real true Trinity, etc.

If Jesus is quite literally God in the OT who made everything and walked and talked with Adam, and walked and talked with the Pastors/Prophets/Priests in the OT, etc, then He has changed quite a bit by the time he shows up in the NT, when the Bible says he does not change, etc.

My current theory is that God in the OT is God the Spirit, or God the Holy Spirit, as Jesus calls or renames him in or by the NT, etc, and that Jesus is a/the son of both that God in the OT, and this Higher One that Jesus is now introducing us to in the NT, etc.

But Jesus could quite literally be that God/God in the OT, and the Holy Spirit is just not in the forefront as God in the OT, but is a helper of that One, who is mainly Jesus maybe, etc?

Or God in the OT could have been/always be God the Spirit, or God the Holy Spirit, etc?

Either way, I am still working on it, but hope to be able to do more with this book I am writing very soon.

If you want to see what it is right now currently, here is the link: Starting a writing/book...?

I am trying to analyze and consider all the possibilities with it before proceeding further with it, etc, and this is one that has recently come up, etc.

God Bless.

I can give you a shortcut to finding Jesus in the old testament. That shortcut is found in the opening of John, and is then confirmed by Paul in Colossians, but bear with me until the end. See John 1:

Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The Word of God is His divine creative and sustaining power, known as the "firstborn son" of God. See all throughout the synoptic gospels where Jesus is identified as the Son of God. See now Paul in Colossians:

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

This is the same language used by Philo of Alexandria in describing the creative power of God, but Philo goes on to also describe the regent power of God. It is God the Father and His two powers that compose God in the form of a divine triad, a trinity.

 

[Neogaia777]

I can give you a shortcut to finding Jesus in the old testament. That shortcut is found in the opening of John, and is then confirmed by Paul in Colossians, but bear with me until the end. See John 1:

Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The Word of God is His divine creative and sustaining power, known as the "firstborn son" of God. See all throughout the synoptic gospels where Jesus is identified as the Son of God. See now Paul in Colossians:

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

This is the same language used by Philo of Alexandria in describing the creative power of God, but Philo goes on to also describe the regent power of God. It is God the Father and His two powers that compose God in the form of a divine triad, a trinity.

Those scriptures are scriptures I do know, and is part of what is making me examine, or re-examine the possibility, etc, but I thank you very much anyway.

I especially liked that last part, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

@HTacianas

I think we could lose the whole "Father/son tale/drama" if we do consider the possibility that Jesus was quite literally God in the OT though?

And some other things as well, etc?

I think I'll have to think about it some more, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

I recall Matthew 22:45 here, etc?

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

I recall Matthew 22:45 here, etc?

God Bless.

I wonder if the answer to Jesus question in Matthew 22:45 could be that he is his son biologically, but not spiritually, etc, which is why he maybe calls him Lord maybe, etc? And maybe he was born from the Highest up above spiritually, etc? Which might be why the Spirit calls him Lord maybe, etc?

Anyway, I clearly have a lot of things to think about and/or consider, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Lukaris]

It seems like there has been generational intimidation to have us doubt the authenticity of 1 John 5:7. Yet, this very passage seems to have been known to the early church fathers like St. Cyprian in the 200s as it was translated the same in the Wycliffe and King James Bibles.

Johannine Comma and Cyprian of Carthage - Textus Receptus

textus-receptus.com

From the Wycliffe Bible ( 1382):

6	This is Jhesus Crist, that cam bi watir and blood; not in water oonli, but in watir and blood. And the spirit is he that witnessith, that Crist is treuthe.
5:7	For thre ben, that yyuen witnessing in heuene, the Fadir, the Sone, and the Hooli Goost; and these thre ben oon.
5:8	`And thre ben, that yyuen witnessing in erthe, the spirit, water, and blood; and these thre ben oon John Wycliffe Bible 1382 Textus Receptus Bibles John Wycliffe Bible 1382 textusreceptusbibles.com

 

[eleos1954]

Just looking for a comprehensive and explicit outline of the Trinity explained in the Bible. Thank you.

Many verses in the bible that reference the three. The word trinity is not in the bible .... it is a word used to describe the unity
of the three (father, son, Holy Spirit)

Here's a few references ...

What Does the Bible Say About Father Son Holy Spirit?

 

[Runningman]

There is no comprehensive and explicit outline of the Trinity explained in the Bible.

This answer seems to make the most sense to me. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Clare73]

There is no comprehensive and explicit outline of the Trinity explained in the Bible.

Nor is there any comprehensive and explicit outline of the sovereignty of God explained in the Bible.

 

[HTacianas]

Nor is there any comprehensive and explicit outline of the sovereignty of God explained in the Bible.

Try not to pay too much attention to this thread. The OP is cutting his theological teeth and is only raising fallacious arguments against Christianity.

 

[Clare73]

Try not to pay too much attention to this thread. The OP is cutting his theological teeth and is only raising fallacious arguments against Christianity.

The OP is a JW whose "ministry" is to deny the divinity of JC.

 

[Neogaia777]

@HTacianas

I think we could lose the whole "Father/son tale/drama" if we do consider the possibility that Jesus was quite literally God in the OT though?

And some other things as well, etc?

I think I'll have to think about it some more, etc.

God Bless.

The whole "reconciling" is lost as well, as we do not need to, nor ever did need to, be reconciled this God the Heavenly Father or Highest Father God Jesus speaks of, etc, but only with God in the OT did we ever need to be, etc.

Wrath is another thing this Highest Father God has just never had also, so that never had to be satisfied with that One, but only God in the OT only also, etc.

Forgiveness/mercy/love is another thing or other things that is/are a mute point also with this Highest Heavenly Father God also, but only God in the OT also, etc. Because with that previous One, there is nothing to forgive, because all is only always going only according to the way that One has made it all go from the very beginning, and it cannot ever go or happen any other way ever at all ever, etc, and it is only the latter One who had to be made to love us or forgive us or show us mercy again by Jesus Christ, etc, and there is also a whole very great story there with Them, etc, or with both God in the OT, and Jesus Christ, etc.

Anyway, I'm still trying to figure it out, or am still working on it, etc. The place of the other Two mainly, etc. And that, mainly in the OT, or in and from the beginning, and then throughout the OT and leading up to the NT, and then Jesus life and ministry while he was here, and then the eventual crucifixion and death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Clare73]

Just looking for a comprehensive and explicit outline of the Trinity explained in the Bible. Thank you.

Are you looking to believe it. . .or deny it?

To wit:
The NT presents Jesus as God:

I. As the YHWH of the OT in

Mt 3:3, Lk 1:67-68, 76 (Isa 40:3) - Jesus is the YHWH of whom the voice calling in the wilderness (John the Baptist) prepared the way.

Ro 10:9, 13 (Joel 2:32) - Paul teaches Jesus is the YHWH of Joel's prophecy that "everyone who calls on the name of YHWH will be saved."

Heb 1:6 (Dt 32:43) - Heb quotes Moses' song referring to YHWH and says it applies to Jesus.

Rev 1:12-18 (Isa 44:6, 48:12) - the man in the vision is Jesus (1:18, 2:8) who identifies himself as the First and the Last which is YHWH identification of himself.

Rev 21:6, 22:12-13 (Rev 1:8) - the man in the vision (Jesus) identifies himself as the Alpha and Omega of Rev 1:8, which is YHWH.

Rev 21:5-7 (Rev 20:11-13) -Jesus, the one on the throne (Rev 20:11-13 with Jn 5:22, 27, 9:39), is God (Rev 21:7).

The Elohim and YHWH who created all things (Ge 1:1, Is 44:24, Jer 10:16) is Jesus (Jn 1:3, Col 1:16-17, Heb 1:2b, 10).

Jesus is
Immanuel (Isa 7:14, Mt 1:23) "God with us;"
Mighty God, Everlasting Father" (Isa 9:6);
God who came to save (Isa 35:4-6, 43:11,
YHWH Adonai of Eze 34:11-16 who is the shepherd of the sheep (Jn 10:11-15).

II. Jews understood that Jesus said he was God, seeking many times to stone him for blasphemy (Mk 2:3-7, Jn 6:41-42, 10:30-33, 5:18, 8:58-59, 19:7--Lev 24:16).

III. Paul said we are waiting for the glorious appearing of 'the great God and Savior of us Jesus Christ." (Tit 2:13)

IV.The NT testifies that Jesus is not an angel (Heb 1:4-14), that his "name" is Son--a name to which no angel can lay claim (Heb 1:4), that he is begotten (giving him the same nature as God, divine) and that he is the only begotten of God, he has no brothers like himself, divine.

V. The NT presents worship of Jesus together with his Father:
To the gods of paganism (Ac 17:22-27), Paul opposes one God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ (1 Co 8:5-6) to be worshiped, and shows
worship of Jesus (Php 2:10),
prayer to Jesus (Ac 7:59, 9:14, 2 Co 12:8, 1 Co 1:2, 16:22, Rev 22:20)
praise to Jesus (Ro 9:5, 2 Tim 4:8, 2 Pe 3:18, Rev 1:5-6, 5:10, 7:13)
desired divine blessing of Jesus (1 Th 3:11-13, 2 Th 3:5, 16)
all of which are reserved to God alone (Ex 20:3-5, Mt 4:9-10, Ac 10:25-26, Rev 19:10, 22:8-9).

VI. The NT presents Jesus as having the attributes of God:
eternal existence - Jn 1:1, 2, 1 Jn 1:2, Rev 1:8, 22:13,
omnipresence - Mt 18:20, 28:20, Ac 18:10.
omniscience - Mt 9:4, Jn 2:24-25, 6:64, 21:17b, 16:30, Col 2:3,
omnipotence - Mt 28:18, Jn 3:35, 6:39b, 40b, 54b, 11:25, 13:3, Php 3:21, Col 1:17, 19, 2:9, Heb 1:3, 10-12, Rev 1:8, 21:5 (Da 7:14),
immutability - Heb 1:10-12, 13:8,
providence - Lk 10:22, Jn 3:35, 17:2, Eph 1:22, Col 1:17, Heb 1:3,
forgiveness of sin - Mk 2:7-11, Ac 5:31, Col 3:13,
judges sin - Mt 25:31-32, Jn 5:22, 27, Ac 10:42, 17:31, Ro 2:16, 14:10, 2 Co 5:10, 2 Tim 4:1,
gives eternal life - Jn 5:21, 6:54, 57, 11:25-26 1 Co 15:45,
source of eternal life - Jn 1:4, 5:26, 14:6, Ac 3:15, 1 Jn 1:1-2, 5:11-12, 20, Rev 1:18.

Confession that "Jesus is Lord" means to acknowledge that Jesus is a person to be invoked, trusted, known, praised and adored as God the Father is (Jn 5:23); i.e., as divine.


The NT witnesses throughout that Jesus is God.