Where is a "6000 year old earth" found in scripture?

ewq1938 said:

Nope, many have seen his form. See above.

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It says Not.

I've worked with blind people.
They say they see things as well.

ewq1938 said:

Nope, many have seen his form. See above.

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There is only one type of invisible. There are many types of "seeing."

That's why you must refute the invisible verses first.

ewq1938 said:

God the Father is only invisible in the sense that you can't just go somewhere and see him but if you are in his presence like many of the scriptural examples I have provided (and you ignored) then one can very much see him.

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Yes, after death, in the next life, we will "see His face."
But currently, He does not experience time.
That is the human condition, and a gift to delay instant
annihilation that are the wages paid for Sin.

In Him we live and move and have our being: that is in time. and invisible as the wind.

In Time, the Father sits on the throne of glory in the created temple in the created sun which He set in His created heavens.
The heavens are a time measure-er themselves.
The heavens circle the world day by day, and the months are measured by the sun's peculiar electromagnetic path, which He ordained for it from the beginning, to circle the earth in the circuit of the heavens, once, each day. in the circuit of the earth [the heavens].

YHWH in the Person of the Holy Spirit has an image that is seen, though you cannot see the Spirit. He made Adam in that image, and that image looks like the form sitting on the throne of God's glory, in the heavens.

God did not say no man can see me. He said no man can see my face and live. That is a clarification.
But indeed, His form is seen again and again, as is noted in prior posts.
Does anyone see His face when they see Him in His image of Glory???? nope!
But they see Him.
Exodus 24: they saw the God of Israel, and they did not perish.
Genesis 32: Jacob saw the face of God, and wrestled with Him.

Adam is made in the image/likeness/form of God.

Ezekiel saw that form, and the Glory of God in chapter 1 and 10. Ezekiel said He looked like an Adam, but terrible in His Glory.

God forbids murder of any Adam person by any other Adam person because the Adam persons are made in the image of God, which is sacred. Genesis 9:6.
Therefore: God ordained capital punishment for the murder [premeditated murder, not manslaughter or self defense] of any Adam person who murders any Adam person. God gave that law to Noah when God established government rules for earth after the flood.
Because governments are set by God to be a terror with the sword against such evil, the governments that do not obey God and who frame iniquity by law will be judged and turned into hell, for God Himself is the Final Avenger of the innocent against the wicked, and all will be brought into judgment.

ewq1938 said:

People have seen him before dying, also provided in the examples posted.

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Naturally.
20 But He said, "You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!"

SkyWriting said:

Naturally.
20 But He said, "You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!"

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Skywriting,
God did not say "I have no face".
You say that, but God did not say that. God said "My Face", several times, but He never said that He has no face.

Now we are talking about Persons in YHWH, and though the Holy Spirit manifests in forms [fire, cloud, etc], He has no "body"; but the One image who sits on the thone in heaven who is called "The Father", and "God the Word", and the "Son of Man in heaven", and the "Great Glory", whose image Adam was made in, has a form, a body of glory.

Exodus 33:
17 And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name. 18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. 19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. 20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. 21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: 22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: 23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

yeshuasavedme said:

Skywriting,
God did not say "I have no face".
You say that, but God did not say that. God said "My Face", several times, but He never said that He has no face.

Now we are talking about Persons in YHWH, and though the Holy Spirit manifests in forms [fire, cloud, etc], He has no "body"; but the One image who sits on the thone in heaven who is called "The Father", and "God the Word", and the "Son of Man in heaven", and the "Great Glory", whose image Adam was made in, has a form, a body of glory.

Exodus 33:
17 And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name. 18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. 19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. 20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. 21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: 22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: 23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

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Enoch sees God the Great Glory on the throne in heaven:
chapter 14:
The Vision of the Great Glory

15And I beheld a vision, And lo! there was a second house, greater than the former, and the entire portal stood open before me, and it was built of flames of fire. 16And in every respect it so excelled in splendour and magnificence and extent that I cannot describe to you its splendour and its extent. 17And its floor was of fire, and above it were lightnings and the path of the stars, and its ceiling also was flaming fire. 18And I looked and saw therein a lofty throne: its appearance was as crystal, and the wheels thereof as the shining sun, and there was the vision of cherubim. 19And from underneath the throne came streams of flaming fire so that I could not look thereon. 20And the Great Glory sat thereon, and His raiment shone more brightly than the sun and was whiter than any snow.
21None of the angels could enter and could behold His face by reason of the magnificence and glory, and no flesh could behold Him. 22The flaming fire was round about Him, and a great fire stood before Him, and none around could draw nigh Him: ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him, yet He needed no counsellor. 23And the most holy ones who were nigh to Him did not leave by night nor depart from Him.

24And until then I had been prostrate on my face, trembling: and the Lord called me with His own mouth, and said to me: "Come hither, Enoch, and hear my word."

25And one of the holy ones came to me and waked me, and He made me rise up and approach the door: and I bowed my face downwards.

yeshuasavedme said:

Skywriting,
God did not say "I have no face".

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We can't proceed until you have debunked each the following Myths:

Romans 1:20
Colossians 1:15
John 1:18
1 Timothy 1:17
Hebrews 11:27
Deuteronomy 4:12
John 5:37
John 4:24
Exodus 33:20
1 Timothy 6:16
Matthew 16:17
1 John 3:2
Hebrews 11:1-3
Romans 8:24-25
2 Corinthians 5:7

Note that the sources vary greatly.

We know the Living Spirit is invisible.
He is fully God.
We also know that there is a form of God on a throne in the temple in the heavens who is not invisible, but He is such Glory that no one sees His face. You'd go blind unless you are in the transformed body.
Also, He did come visit from heaven on His Chariot on Mount Sinai.
He was seen. The Bible says so.
Ezekiel also saw Him on His throne/chariot come out from heaven.
The Bible says so.
John saw Him on the throne in the temple in heaven
John saw Him give the Book for judgement of earth to "the Lion of the tribe of Judah".

The Father on the throne in heaven: Not a metaphor, with a form, eyes.voice, hands....
He gives the book with the seven seals for the judgment of the earth to the One who has bought it back by His own Kinsman/Redeemer blood, "the Lamb of God", "the Lion of the Tribe of Judah".
This is also what Enoch saw in heaven, but in Enoch's revelation, the Son was not yet seen, and was with the Father [God the Great Glory], and hidden in the Father and was to come, and in whose name the redeemed are saved.
There are Three Persons in the One YHWH: The Spirit, the Father, and the Son -who is now the Word come in human flesh, who was always in the Father, as He also said in John 17:1-5, "before the world was".

Rev 4: 1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. 5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. 6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. 7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.

8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. 9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever, 10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Rev 5:
1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? 3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. 4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. 5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. 11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; 12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. 13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

In order to determine the 6,000 years since Adam you start by adding up the begats.
Sum Total: 1556 years

Total Days: 371

The descendants of Shem 2442 BC (Gen. 7:6-11)
Were the lineage of Abraham 1991 BC (Gen. 11:-26)

That is some 2231 years in the first 11 chapters of Genesis alone.

Grace and peace,
Mark

SkyWriting said:

The gospel message should have nothing added to it or taken away.

Did you get this idea from the WATCHTOWER MAGAZINE?

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LOOL I'm sorry I know this is old but this is hilarious coming from the ex JW.

JaeMelo said:

LOOL I'm sorry I know this is old but this is hilarious coming from the ex JW.

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Errr......not me. But I've done bible studies with a couple.

miamited said:

It is my understanding of the Scriptures that everything in the realm in which we live, which would be from the farthest star to the smallest atomic structure, is only about 6,000 years old.

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No, the scriptures never gave you that idea.

How old was Adam as described in scripture?
How old was Eve as described in scripture?
How old was The Garden as described in scripture.
How old were the animals brought for Adam to name as described in scripture.
How old was the dirt in the garden as described in scripture.
Man was created from dust.
How old is dust?

Was there anything in Genesis that suggested anything was one week old?
Perhaps a math oriented monk added numbers together and it all totaled
some impossible to replicate number. But scripture doesn't "work" like that.

SkyWriting said:

No, the scriptures never gave you that idea.

How old was Adam as described in scripture?
How old was Eve as described in scripture?
How old was The Garden as described in scripture.
How old were the animals brought for Adam to name as described in scripture.
How old was the dirt in the garden as described in scripture.

Was there anything in Genesis that suggested anything was one week old?
Perhaps a math oriented monk added numbers together and it all totaled
some impossible to replicate number. But scripture doesn't "work" like that.

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When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.

joshua 1 9 said:

When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.

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How old was Adam first described in scripture?
Was he ......a baby? A zygote?