where in the old testament does God command all of humanity to keep his Sabbath rest?

overcomer · Sep 22, 2016

bloodygrace said:
No they all lived by faith in the finished work of Christ and put no confidence in the flesh. You're law keeping is flesh worship.

Hebrews 4:8 There remaineth therefore a rest (sabbatismos: sabbath) to the people of God.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Isaiah 66
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

Sabbath will still be kept in the new heaven and in the new earth.

overcomer · Sep 22, 2016

Sabbathkeeper&Wife said:
So He comes like a thief in the night to only gentiles? (btw-I did copy and paste this, but off the quote. Still ain't figured how to get scripture on here. WINK ! Thanks)

If you post the book name (no abbreviation), chapter (and verse), for example Hebrews 4:8, CF will link it to the message body.

But you can go to biblegateway.com, find your scriptures there, copy (ctrl-c) and paste (ctrl-v) here.

Sabbathkeeper&Wife · Sep 22, 2016

Yes this is great fun, eastcoast, but when I see people that love the Lord on the brink of..... it hurts my heart and has become quite scary at times. Thanks overcomer! I will try the book/ vs thing. I don't see a control button anywhere on this gadget. I have no doubt it's operator error. I spent many hours a day on a puter for 15 years as part of running a business, but the smartphone is only as smart as the one holding it. I haven't turned a puter on in 6 yrs. Nuff said... Thanks, Peace be with you.

overcomer · Sep 22, 2016

Sabbathkeeper&Wife said:
Yes this is great fun, eastcoast, but when I see people that love the Lord on the brink of..... it hurts my heart and has become quite scary at times. Thanks overcomer! I will try the book/ vs thing. I don't see a control button anywhere on this gadget. I have no doubt it's operator error. I spent many hours a day on a puter for 15 years as part of running a business, but the smartphone is only as smart as the one holding it. I haven't turned a puter on in 6 yrs. Nuff said... Thanks, Peace be with you.

Oh with a smart phone (iphones, not sure about androids ), you can press and hold on any word in the verse you want to copy. Then drag the left and right markers to cover the whole verse. Then it will give an option to copy. Then you can paste it when typing the reply, just press and hold in the message body.

Peace and good night.

Sabbathkeeper&Wife · Sep 22, 2016

Hebrews 4:3-11

Sabbathkeeper&Wife · Sep 22, 2016

Thank-you!

Sabbathkeeper&Wife · Sep 23, 2016

WailingWall said:
HEBREWS 4

[1] Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.[2] For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.[3] FOR WE WHICH HAVE BELIEVED DO ENTER INTO REST, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. [4] For he spake in a certain place of THE SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And GOD DID REST THE SEVENTH DAY from all his works.[5] And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

They which believe do enter into His rest. Which rest is being spoken of? Verse 4 tells us its the rest of the 7th day. Thats Gods sabbath day alright.

[6] Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:[7] Again, HE LIMITETH A CERTAIN DAY, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

Some did not enter that rest. They were destroyed.

[8] For IF JESUS HAD GIVEN THEM REST, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.[9] THERE REMAINETH THEREFORE A REST to the people of God.

Youve heard the many say Jesus is my rest. Wellverse 8 contradicts that? Anyways the rest (sabbath) remains. Ive heard the many say verse 9 is speaking of the 1000 yr period of rest. That rest has not yet arrived, so how could it remain? Another thing that bothers me is the fact that many of the new books have changed the name of Jesus to Joshua. Why? What are they trying to hide? Plain to see. The "many" claim Jesus is their rest, while the bible (verse 8) says quite the opposite. Thus the need for the change of names

[10] For HE THAT IS ENTERED INTO HIS REST, he also hath ceased from his own works, AS GOD DID FROM HIS. [11] Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Of course the above verses are speaking of the sabbath. Enter into the rest as God also did. Verse 4 says God entered into rest on the seventh day. The sabbath. Verse 11 says we are to enter into that very same rest.

I drug this from somewhere. How? I don't know yet. Wanted 4:3-11, and it's got a few of this fellows remarks in it, but anyway..... it is what it is. To me it says- If Jesus had spoken of another day, He would have said so. I've looked at it from every angle I can and I don't think even the papa could mis-interpret it, although, his group is the first to say THEY changed the Sabbath upon THEIR authority. Not even to mention Col 1:14-16 or 17, where Christ, being the IMAGE (exact copy) of His Father, made all things, which means it was His finger that lasered the law into the stone tablets to begin with, reminding us to REMEMBER. There comes a day, IF not already, when you RE-member, it will RE-make you a member, thus being a RE-MEMBER. (I just had to do it!)

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 23, 2016

HOW MANY things in 6000 years
did
the CREATOR of the UNIVERSE - YHWH ABBA ELOHIM
write HIMSELF (i.e. HIS WORD BREATHED THROUGH HIS chosen vessels is WONDERFUL, TRUE and PERFECT, yet it was HIS SPIRIT through others WHO delivered TORAH
compared with WORDS HE WROTE HIMSELF not through someone else )
As INSTRUCTIONS to men HE CHOSE FOR HIMSELF and SET APART(from gentile pagan nations) FOR HIMSELF ?

Dave-W · Sep 23, 2016

Sabbathkeeper&Wife said:
So He comes like a thief in the night to only gentiles?

Not at all. What do you know of the Jewish wedding traditions of the day?

Not understanding that will lead one to all kinds of tangents.

bloodygrace · Sep 23, 2016

overcomer said:
Hebrews 4:8 There remaineth therefore a rest (sabbatismos: sabbath) to the people of God.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Isaiah 66
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

Sabbath will still be kept in the new heaven and in the new earth.

Why don't you read the rest of Hebrews 4! The 7th day was a symbol of the finished work of Christ that we enter by faith not law keeping.

For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. Heb. 4:3

bloodygrace · Sep 23, 2016

EastCoast said:
I will edited your reply with other "laws" that you say we are no longer under... lets see how this turns out.

Isn't this fun!

The thing is, no matter how hard the enemies of God try and remove the 4th Commandment from the Decalogue, they are unable for it was pronounced and written by God's own finger to be a memorial of Creation and to identify the Creator.

Your attempt at humor or some kind of limerick is childish and not edifying.

Dave-W · Sep 23, 2016

EastCoast said:
Isn't this fun!

The thing is, no matter how hard the enemies of God try and remove the 4th Commandment from the Decalogue, they are unable for it was pronounced and written by God's own finger to be a memorial of Creation and to identify the Creator.

Be careful with that EC: By the same logic of not removing the Shabbat commandment, one could make the same argument for all of the other Lev. 23 feast days .....

Sabbathkeeper&Wife · Sep 23, 2016

DaveW-Ohev said:
Not at all. What do you know of the Jewish wedding traditions of the day?

Not understanding that will lead one to all kinds of tangents.

. Some of my wife's later dream words are to do with the Jewish weddings, so not alot yet, but I'm learning. I wish I had started all this goodness many moons ago, when retaining knowledge was easier!

Dave-W · Sep 23, 2016

Sabbathkeeper&Wife said:
. Some of my wife's later dream words are to do with the Jewish weddings, so not alot yet, but I'm learning. I wish I had started all this goodness many moons ago, when retaining knowledge was easier!

would you like the nickel tour?

Sabbathkeeper&Wife · Sep 23, 2016

bloodygrace said:
Why don't you read the rest of Hebrews 4! The 7th day was a symbol of the finished work of Christ that we enter by faith not law keeping.

For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. Heb. 4:3[/QUOTE ]
And......? All it says is its HIS rest and it was finished from the beginning, not 4000 years later at His crucifixion. Have you ever read Rev 12:17, 14:12, Mt 5:18, And especially Mt 5:19 ! Have you ever read where and how the observance of Sunday was picked up? Can you not see what Rome is doing?/has done? We have complete books in God's WORD telling us what's going on, yet we chose NOT to see it. Check out Ez 8. It too, as is much of Ez, is about pagan practices in God's church. It's MOST of what God talks about in many books, and it's for a reason , because He knew there would be a problem.

Sabbathkeeper&Wife · Sep 23, 2016

Yes Dave, I sure would! Seriously. You have impressed me many times with your understanding of many things. I love to learn. Im about 2 hrs late for work, but ,God willing. I'll be back this eve.Peace be with you.

Dave-W · Sep 23, 2016

Sabbathkeeper&Wife said:
I'll be back this eve.Peace be with you.

Reading and Posting on Shabbat?

Unthinkable! Absurd! (from Fiddler on the Roof)

In first century Judea and Galilee, the Jewish wedding custom went like this (with some variations for city dwellers).

A young boy and girl would be "arranged" around age 6-8 in a discussion between the 2 sets of parents. When they reached the age of majority (12-13) the families would sit down and hammer out a ketubah - marriage contract.
Modern version:

This was done with a lot of posturing, yelling and screaming, and after it was done and signed there was a party. Up until it was signed, either boy or girl had the right of refusal, cancelling the whole deal. Once it is signed, they are "betrothed," which is more than just engaged but less than fully married. It needed a formal divorce to break. This varied somewhat by location - in some places the girl (not the guy) could back out up until the wedding day without a divorce.

The ketubah contained a lot of details of both parties obligations and benefits. It was the ultimate pre-nup. It specified the "bride price" and who was responsible for keeping it. (in the event of a divorce or being widowed) It specified a minimum frequency of sex the husband was to provide for his wife (depending on his profession) His not living up to that frequency could trigger legal action either to force him to change jobs or to divorce her so she could find a more suitable lover. For more info on the ketubah google it.

After the boy's 13th birthday, he would start to build a home for his future family, under the supervision of his father. That process typically took about a year. In the countryside, it would usually be a new wing off of his family home. When dad determined the structure was sound, water tight and large enough for the family he would tell his son to fetch his bride. This could be almost any time, day or night, except on the Sabbath.

Monday 8 am, fine.
Wednesday 2 am, fine.
Thursday 11 pm, fine.

No one knew (even the son) when dad was going to say that. (sound familiar?)

When the son was sent, he would ride (if available) a white horse to go and get her. She (knowing the building was nearing completion) would have to keep an eye out on the road from his house to see his approach. 24/6. (not on Shabbat) When she spotted him she was to yell out "Baruch HaBa B'shem Adonai!" "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!" (see matt 23) It had to be loud enough to wake everyone up (if during the night) or to call everyone in from the fields (for daytime). As they gathered, he would take her up on the horse and they would ride together to the new home and consummate their marriage. (now fully married). Then a party would be thrown by both sets of parents that would last up to a week.

That is the nutshell version.

overcomer · Sep 23, 2016

bloodygrace said:
Why don't you read the rest of Hebrews 4! The 7th day was a symbol of the finished work of Christ that we enter by faith not law keeping.

This is where we disagree. The 7th day sabbath is a memorial of the creation. What does the commandment say? No where in the bible the sabbath was pointed to as a symbol of rest in Christ.

For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. Heb. 4:3

Look at the very next verse

Heb 4
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

When did God cease from his work? The sabbath after the creation week!

Dave-W · Sep 23, 2016

EastCoast said:
Signifies to me which is everlasting and which was a shadow...

Which begs the question: Can ANY of God's words be taken as mere "shadow?"

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

FYI - when this was penned, the only "scripture" in existence was the Hebrew OT Scripture.

Victor E. · Sep 23, 2016

gracethroughfaith said:
Please provide me with the scriptural verses that you use to show that the Sabbath was commanded by God to all of humanity from the Garden of Eden.

Thank you

"Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God.

If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” (referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh." Colossians 2:16-23

"So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand." Isaiah 41:10

"After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God." Mark 16:19

"A Psalm of David. The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at My right hand Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet." Psalm 110:1

What the law could not accomplish though the weakness of our flesh, Christ accomplished in His righteousness by the grace of the Father. It was commanded in the Mosaic Law (Old Testament) but believers have passed from death into life through Christ's sacrifice in the faith of His promises (New Testament).

"Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me; for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.” Matthew 11:29-30

"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery." Galatians 5:1

where in the old testament does God command all of humanity to keep his Sabbath rest?

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