where in the old testament does God command all of humanity to keep his Sabbath rest?

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 22, 2016

gracethroughfaith said:
Please provide me with the scriptural verses that you use to show that the Sabbath was commanded by God ...

Shortly.... Yhwh Willing.... (oh, and Adventists willing - I just noticed where this is)

Meanwhile, is either communion or Pesach (Passover) or Tithing or Giving to the Poor or Supporting Widows and Orphans important to you or to "Church" ?

Dave-W · Sep 22, 2016

evangelicalsabbatarian said:
Yes ALL of Israel shall be saved. Who is Israel? All who have faith in Christ Jesus.

Context, brother, context.

Paul calls the Isreal he is talking about enemies of the gospel. Your statement does not fit that at all.

overcomer · Sep 22, 2016

DaveW-Ohev said:
Context, brother, context.

Paul calls the Isreal he is talking about enemies of the gospel. Your statement does not fit that at all.

That's that one verse. Lets not take one verse and make a doctrine out of it.

Concerning who is the true Israel, Paul has written much more. Lets not ignore them.

Romans 9
1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed
....
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
...
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Only a remnant of Israel shalt be saved. And Loruhamah has become Ruhamah and Loammi has become Ammi. This is consistent with the whole of Paul's teaching.

Galatians 3
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Dave-W · Sep 22, 2016

overcomer said:
That's that one verse. Lets not take one verse and make a doctrine out of it.

That is true.

But it is equally true that whatever doctrine you use must fit this verse as well as all the others. Like I said, context. Those other verses are in a different context.

Sabbathkeeper&Wife · Sep 22, 2016

I don't know how to paste scripture on here like you folks do. I sure can't type all of it, but here's what I came up with:
Rom. 4:13&14, off of Gen.12:7, about Abraham, the Father of us all and his promise, through faith &not law
Is. 51:1&2- you, who follow after righteousness
Numbered as dust of the earth-Gen.13:16
Gen.17:7- covenant est. with you and your descendants
Zec 2:7&8
Gen 22:16-18
Is. 11:11&12
Rom. 11:26
Then Is. 57:16-18
Is 49:20
Gen.35:10 even 2nd time when he got inheritance &promise
Covenant made-Gen 12:1-3, 15:18, 17:2-7 with Abraham,
Ex 19:5-8, 24:3-8, Duet. 7:6-14 as a nation
Covt rejected- Mt 21:43-45, 23:36-38
Passed on to chosen -Mt 28:19&20, 2Cor 5:18-20, Acts 10:34&35, Gal 3:9,27-29, 1Pt 2:9-10, Rom 9:24-26 ,30&31, 10:12&13, . Not as decendants- Rom 9:6,11:1-2,11,15,22-26
Is 5:3-7 ,Hos 2:23, Gal 3:6-29, Rom 2:25-29, Heb 8:10 ,9:1-15
Sorry. Took me awhile. Had to get a job done- doggone O world! Anyway, that's about all I got. IF someone knows how to turn that into verses.....and post....It would be appreciated. I'll be finished with this foolish work tomorrow and back to affairs of the heart. Hopefully one of y'all can show me how to post scripture with a dumbphone. Still can't cut &paste like on a puter. Thanks much. Peace be with you.

bloodygrace · Sep 22, 2016

gracethroughfaith said:
Please provide me with the scriptural verses that you use to show that the Sabbath was commanded by God to all of humanity from the Garden of Eden.

Thank you

Christians who are saved by grace thru faith are not required to keep the Sabbath day or food restrictions which have been thoroughly dealt with in many places like Romans, Colossians and Acts. Now if Christians want to attend church on Saturday or eat certain foods they are free to do that. But there is danger in keeping the Sabbath because it leads believers back to the law and away from grace.

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 22, 2016

bloodygrace said:
Christians who are saved by grace thru faith are not required to keep the Sabbath day or food restrictions which have been thoroughly dealt with in many places like Romans, Colossians and Acts. Now if Christians want to attend church on Saturday or eat certain foods they are free to do that. But there is danger in keeping the Sabbath because it leads believers back to the law and away from grace.

That's not what I believe YHWH'S ETERNAL WORD SAYS. It looks like man's traditions from the last 2000 years instead. (so there is a lot of reasons for it, just not Biblical)

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 22, 2016

gracethroughfaith said:
Please provide me with the scriptural verses that you use to show that the Sabbath was commanded by God to all of humanity from the Garden of Eden.

Thank you

How many witnesses did /does YHWH give for TORAH ?
(Along with Y'SHUA and the APOSTLES and DiSCIPLES in the NT)

bloodygrace · Sep 22, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
That's not what I believe YHWH'S ETERNAL WORD SAYS. It looks like man's traditions from the last 2000 years instead. (so there is a lot of reasons for it, just not Biblical)

God's eternal word for believers is the new covenant of grace by faith expressed in love. Law keepers are unbelievers and legalists and a perpetual stumbling block to the church.

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 22, 2016

bloodygrace said:
God's eternal word for believers is the new covenant of grace by faith expressed in love. Law keepers are unbelievers and legalists and a perpetual stumbling block to the church.

Y'SHUA and all the APOSTLES kept the LAW. They are a stumbling block to the lawless counterfeit church.

bloodygrace · Sep 22, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Y'SHUA and all the APOSTLES kept the LAW. They are a stumbling block to the lawless counterfeit church.

No Jesus and the apostles preached grace - the unmerited favor of God. Grace is a free gift and can't be earned or worked for, only received by faith.

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 22, 2016

bloodygrace said:
No Jesus and the apostles preached grace - the unmerited favor of God. Grace is a free gift and can't be earned or worked for, only received by faith.

Keep Reading (or Read ) the Epistles and the Gospels and Revelation.
Y'SHUA and the APOSTLES always obeyed the LAW.

The enemies of CHRIST kept trying to catch them breaking the LAW, and couldn't.

TODAY, the enemies of CHRIST keep breaking the LAW, instead of following JESUS.

JESUS spoke about this a lot, and never changed.

bloodygrace · Sep 22, 2016

You have the new testament confused with the old. A common mistake for the babe in Christ who sucks tofu milk.

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 22, 2016

bloodygrace said:
You have the new testament confused with the old. A common mistake for the babe in Christ who sucks tofu milk.

Take a look at the Table of Contents in the BIBLE:
Y'SHUA, The Gospels, the Epistles, Revelation, and the Apostles are ALL IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.

They all kept the LAW.

It was the enemy of Christ who through wolves and betrayers tore the flock apart after the Apostles passed away,
and perpetrated the lawlessness that abounds right up to TODAY on earth.

bloodygrace · Sep 22, 2016

No they all lived by faith in the finished work of Christ and put no confidence in the flesh. You're law keeping is flesh worship.

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 22, 2016

bloodygrace said:
No they all lived by faith in the finished work of Christ and put no confidence in the flesh. You're law keeping is flesh worship.

You got things mixed up apparently. Did you find anywhere in the NEW TESTAMENT that Y'SHUA broke the LAW or taught others to break the LAW ?

According to Y'SHUA, what happens to the lawless sons of disobedience (according to Scripture, not according to man or man's traditions) ? (hint: it is not good)

bloodygrace · Sep 22, 2016

The lawless ones teach legalism where Jesus said the new commandment is love. Paul said that love is the highest and John preached love in every epistle. Maybe they were trying to get the message across?

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 22, 2016

bloodygrace said:
The lawless ones teach legalism

That's a new one here. That's also not what Y'SHUA says, nor Scripture.

Sabbathkeeper&Wife · Sep 22, 2016

DaveW-Ohev said:
And according to Zech 14.4, when HE returns, His foot sets down on the Mount of Olives, the exact same location where this Matt 23 statement was made. So UNTIL some kind of critical mass of Jewish believers in Yeshua/Jesus, which includes part of the Jewish leadership, starts looking for the coming of HIM as their bridegroom, HE will not return to earth.

So He comes like a thief in the night to only gentiles? (btw-I did copy and paste this, but off the quote. Still ain't figured how to get scripture on here. WINK ! Thanks)

Sabbathkeeper&Wife · Sep 22, 2016

In My 7:12 & > , til about vs 23. If there is NO law, what makes the gate narrow? If love & belief are enough, where does fruit come in? What is there to repent from if there is no law? That's the fruit. Meet for repentance. I'll tell ya where is doesn't, vs 23 sums it up. "And then I will profess unto them (those knocking who did ALL these things in HIS name), I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. THAT means those who " practice lawlessness".( LORD LORD, didn't I say I believe, but did whatever I "felt" was right? Didn't I work really hard to teach others to ignore your just and Holy laws?)

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