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Where does the atheist/humanist get their morality from?
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<blockquote data-quote="NejTilSvampe" data-source="post: 60840285" data-attributes="member: 310583"><p>Plato's Euthyprho dilemma</p><p></p><p>1. Is what ever god sais moral because god sais so?</p><p>2. or is it moral on it's own accord but god is simply informing us of it?</p><p></p><p>2. If that's the case, then god is not the moral authority, he's simply the mouth piece and we can cut out the middle man and do the moral acts with or without god.</p><p>1. If this is the case, then god can change his mind at any given time - thus making morality as arbitrary as you claim morality is without god.</p><p></p><p>Now, what apologist often respond to this is; "Well it's not in god's <strong><em>nature</em></strong> to do this and that".</p><p>This begs the question however to;</p><p>1. Did god create his own nature?</p><p>2. Or did he not create his own nature?</p><p></p><p>1. If this is the case, then you're back to that his nature is arbitrary, and therefore morality is arbitrary.</p><p>2. If this is the case, then again, god is not the ultimate authority of morality and once again you can cut out the middle-man.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="NejTilSvampe, post: 60840285, member: 310583"] Plato's Euthyprho dilemma 1. Is what ever god sais moral because god sais so? 2. or is it moral on it's own accord but god is simply informing us of it? 2. If that's the case, then god is not the moral authority, he's simply the mouth piece and we can cut out the middle man and do the moral acts with or without god. 1. If this is the case, then god can change his mind at any given time - thus making morality as arbitrary as you claim morality is without god. Now, what apologist often respond to this is; "Well it's not in god's [B][I]nature[/I][/B] to do this and that". This begs the question however to; 1. Did god create his own nature? 2. Or did he not create his own nature? 1. If this is the case, then you're back to that his nature is arbitrary, and therefore morality is arbitrary. 2. If this is the case, then again, god is not the ultimate authority of morality and once again you can cut out the middle-man. [/QUOTE]
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