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Where does morality come from?
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<blockquote data-quote="stevevw" data-source="post: 74980575" data-attributes="member: 342064"><p>You don't seem to realize the importance of intension when it comes to morality. If you have brakes or try to avoid killing someone and still fail, you are showing you had no intention of killing someone. Its called an accident and accidents don't usually mean someone has intentionally killed anyone therefore their culpability is reduced.</p><p></p><p>For example, stealing a toy from a shop is wrong. You intentionally took the toy. But if your toddler picked the toy up and put it in your handbag while you were looking at other stuff and then you got caught though the law may say you stole, morally you have not don't anything wrong. It was an accident.</p><p></p><p> Of course it would be. But does that make them guilty of committing a moral wrong to kill someone? They didn't make the choice to run the person down. Feeling traumatic is not a measure of doing morally wrong. A passenger can feel traumatized by the same event.</p><p></p><p> There's a big difference in acting and thinking like a human. An automatic vacuum is supposed to act like a human vacuuming the floor. But it cannot think or make a decision if, for example, wants to avoid knocking over a glass of water left on the floor which someone later slips on and injures themselves.</p><p></p><p> But you began the what-if scenario by adding in what if its a 5-year-old kid and 5 old people. All I am doing is playing your game.</p><p></p><p> The only real-life example you showed with the runaway carriage was not the same as the Trolley situation. I showed this logically. Nor is the automatic car applicable which I have shown logically but I am also supported by experts in ethics. Who am I to believe you who have no expert knowledge in this area and are biased towards wanting it to apply or logic and the experts who are independent.</p><p></p><p>But all that doesn't matter because I went along with your thought experiment anyway pretending that there was no choice and humans couldn't act like humans and gave you what was the objectively right thing to do. Objective morality can apply to all situations.</p><p></p><p> Of course. In one scenario someone knows there is someone on the track and therefore are intentionally killing them. In the other scenario, there is no intention to kill. At the very least its an accident and not culpable homicide. How has the track controller intentionally killed anyone? He didn't know what would happen but the person in the Trolley dilemma did, it was either kill 1 or kill5. For the track controller, anything was possible.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevevw, post: 74980575, member: 342064"] You don't seem to realize the importance of intension when it comes to morality. If you have brakes or try to avoid killing someone and still fail, you are showing you had no intention of killing someone. Its called an accident and accidents don't usually mean someone has intentionally killed anyone therefore their culpability is reduced. For example, stealing a toy from a shop is wrong. You intentionally took the toy. But if your toddler picked the toy up and put it in your handbag while you were looking at other stuff and then you got caught though the law may say you stole, morally you have not don't anything wrong. It was an accident. Of course it would be. But does that make them guilty of committing a moral wrong to kill someone? They didn't make the choice to run the person down. Feeling traumatic is not a measure of doing morally wrong. A passenger can feel traumatized by the same event. There's a big difference in acting and thinking like a human. An automatic vacuum is supposed to act like a human vacuuming the floor. But it cannot think or make a decision if, for example, wants to avoid knocking over a glass of water left on the floor which someone later slips on and injures themselves. But you began the what-if scenario by adding in what if its a 5-year-old kid and 5 old people. All I am doing is playing your game. The only real-life example you showed with the runaway carriage was not the same as the Trolley situation. I showed this logically. Nor is the automatic car applicable which I have shown logically but I am also supported by experts in ethics. Who am I to believe you who have no expert knowledge in this area and are biased towards wanting it to apply or logic and the experts who are independent. But all that doesn't matter because I went along with your thought experiment anyway pretending that there was no choice and humans couldn't act like humans and gave you what was the objectively right thing to do. Objective morality can apply to all situations. Of course. In one scenario someone knows there is someone on the track and therefore are intentionally killing them. In the other scenario, there is no intention to kill. At the very least its an accident and not culpable homicide. How has the track controller intentionally killed anyone? He didn't know what would happen but the person in the Trolley dilemma did, it was either kill 1 or kill5. For the track controller, anything was possible. [/QUOTE]
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