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Where does morality come from?
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<blockquote data-quote="Kylie" data-source="post: 74979361" data-attributes="member: 343110"><p>So when you switch the trolley to the track with one person, you are doing something morally wrong?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Stop making it about who is to blame when the situation is about what your response is.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It was obvious to anyone who understood what subjective and objective mean.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So lemme get this straight.</p><p></p><p>I asked you if there was an objective morality that applies to every single moral situation.</p><p></p><p>You said yes.</p><p></p><p>Now you say that the objective morality that applies to every single moral situation doesn't exist in every single moral situation.</p><p></p><p>Do you see why I don't take your claims seriously?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, this is the objective claim that people have subjective experiences.</p><p></p><p>The fact that people have these experiences is objectively true, but the experiences themselves are subjective.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See my response above...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have no idea what point you are trying to make here.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There's no evidence that a person's intuition is objective.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I thought you said that you weren't trying to use the "Lots of people have the same moral, so that means that particular moral is objectively true" argument. You seem quite happy to use it here.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why do you think I am saying that if something is wrong it must be OBJECTIVELY wrong?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If Steve is claiming that objective morality applies to all situations (which you agreed was the case), then showing that objective morality applies to one situation does not prove his point, because said objective morality may apply to only a small number of moral situations, not all of them. In order for Steve to show that objective morality applies to all moral situations, Steve must show it for all moral situations. Any moral situations Steve does NOT show that objective morality applies to could be the situations to which objective morality does not apply.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kylie, post: 74979361, member: 343110"] So when you switch the trolley to the track with one person, you are doing something morally wrong? Stop making it about who is to blame when the situation is about what your response is. It was obvious to anyone who understood what subjective and objective mean. So lemme get this straight. I asked you if there was an objective morality that applies to every single moral situation. You said yes. Now you say that the objective morality that applies to every single moral situation doesn't exist in every single moral situation. Do you see why I don't take your claims seriously? No, this is the objective claim that people have subjective experiences. The fact that people have these experiences is objectively true, but the experiences themselves are subjective. See my response above... I have no idea what point you are trying to make here. There's no evidence that a person's intuition is objective. I thought you said that you weren't trying to use the "Lots of people have the same moral, so that means that particular moral is objectively true" argument. You seem quite happy to use it here. Why do you think I am saying that if something is wrong it must be OBJECTIVELY wrong? If Steve is claiming that objective morality applies to all situations (which you agreed was the case), then showing that objective morality applies to one situation does not prove his point, because said objective morality may apply to only a small number of moral situations, not all of them. In order for Steve to show that objective morality applies to all moral situations, Steve must show it for all moral situations. Any moral situations Steve does NOT show that objective morality applies to could be the situations to which objective morality does not apply. [/QUOTE]
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