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Where does morality come from?
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<blockquote data-quote="mnphysicist" data-source="post: 73900040" data-attributes="member: 110815"><p>A bugger with this is that many Christians will say they believe morality comes from God, but in practice throw deontological ethics to the wind and adopt consequentialism and utilitarianism.</p><p></p><p>Another challenge is that many atheists will argue for pragmatic based ethics and bring up the Bible's support for slavery.</p><p></p><p>And a recent challenge was Pope Benedict's letter from last week, where in he states that they tried to build an ethic exclusively from the scriptures post Vatican II and found it impossible to do so. I do not understand that at all, so maybe a Catholic person came chime in.</p><p></p><p>I've seen far too many well meaning Christian crash and burn in debates, both online and in 3D over ethics. I've also listened a lot of Ravi Zacharias as well as Norman Geisler, both of whom say they win... and yet their arguments to me, a layperson lacking depth in philosophy, appear to be a lot of hand waving and wishful thinking. I guess to gurus in the field it must make sense, but I don't get it.</p><p></p><p>And yet at the bottom of things, my personal belief is ethics do come from God, and sure as Christians, maybe we've gotten a lot really messed up... but how on earth does natural law come about, (ie the gentiles doing the right things apart from the law) if not from God?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mnphysicist, post: 73900040, member: 110815"] A bugger with this is that many Christians will say they believe morality comes from God, but in practice throw deontological ethics to the wind and adopt consequentialism and utilitarianism. Another challenge is that many atheists will argue for pragmatic based ethics and bring up the Bible's support for slavery. And a recent challenge was Pope Benedict's letter from last week, where in he states that they tried to build an ethic exclusively from the scriptures post Vatican II and found it impossible to do so. I do not understand that at all, so maybe a Catholic person came chime in. I've seen far too many well meaning Christian crash and burn in debates, both online and in 3D over ethics. I've also listened a lot of Ravi Zacharias as well as Norman Geisler, both of whom say they win... and yet their arguments to me, a layperson lacking depth in philosophy, appear to be a lot of hand waving and wishful thinking. I guess to gurus in the field it must make sense, but I don't get it. And yet at the bottom of things, my personal belief is ethics do come from God, and sure as Christians, maybe we've gotten a lot really messed up... but how on earth does natural law come about, (ie the gentiles doing the right things apart from the law) if not from God? [/QUOTE]
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