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Where did the laws of nature come from?
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<blockquote data-quote="RealityCheck01" data-source="post: 69985311" data-attributes="member: 317334"><p>The evidence in this thread says that you have not understood the English or science in the papers - even going to the extent of quote mining (lying about) one.</p><p>The answer to this simple question:</p><p><a href="http://www.christianforums.com/threads/where-did-the-laws-of-nature-come-from.7928975/page-79#post-69972128" target="_blank"><strong>8 August 2016 stevevw</strong>: Do you understand that quote mining is definitely misleading and close to lying, e.g. removing "all four major forces play a substantial role in genomic evolution" from what you quoted from Lynch?</a></p><p>seems to be that you are happy to quote mine (lie about) that section in Lynch's paper by cutting the first sentence: <strong>Second, all four major forces play a substantial role in genomic evolution.</strong></p><p>And now we have a new claim <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite9" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":eek:" />!</p><p><strong>11 August 2016 stevevw</strong>: Cite and quote the many statements where where Lynch explicitly writes natural selection <strong>is</strong> "minor or insufficient".</p><p>There is</p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.christianforums.com/threads/where-did-the-laws-of-nature-come-from.7928975/page-69#post-69895601" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 204)"><strong>19 July 2016 stevevw</strong>: Three citations that do not state "Natural selection (adaptive forces) are negligible and/or minimal..." <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite9" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":eek:" />!</span></u></a></p><p><a href="http://www.christianforums.com/threads/where-did-the-laws-of-nature-come-from.7928975/page-69#post-69895628" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 204)"><strong>19 July 2016 stevevw</strong>: Can you give the scientific evidence "showing that most of the ability for life to change is coming from non adaptive influences such as HGT or in development"?</span></u></a></p><p><a href="http://www.christianforums.com/threads/where-did-the-laws-of-nature-come-from.7928975/page-71#post-69903991" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 204)"><strong>21 July 2016 stevevw</strong>: The hint of cherry picking sources to suit your case even when they do not support you.</span></u></a></p><p><a href="http://www.christianforums.com/threads/where-did-the-laws-of-nature-come-from.7928975/page-71#post-69904011" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 204)"><strong>21 July 2016 stevevw</strong>: Like "not a giant" does not mean "is a dwarf".</span></u></a></p><p><a href="http://www.christianforums.com/threads/where-did-the-laws-of-nature-come-from.7928975/page-74#post-69932315" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 204)"><strong>28 July 2016 stevevw</strong>: The record of the "negligible and/or minimal" assertion.</span></u></a></p><p><a href="http://www.christianforums.com/threads/where-did-the-laws-of-nature-come-from.7928975/page-74#post-69932235" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 204)"><strong>29 July 2016 stevevw</strong>: "many aspects of genomic, cellular, and developmental evolution" is not all or even most of evolution <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite9" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":eek:" />!</span></u></a></p><p><a href="http://www.christianforums.com/threads/where-did-the-laws-of-nature-come-from.7928975/page-74#post-69932235" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 204)"><strong>29 July 2016 stevevw</strong>: Quote mining to hide the context of a quote is bad scholarship. Lynch states that "all four major forces play a <strong>substantial role</strong> in genomic evolution".</span></u></a></p><p><a href="http://www.christianforums.com/threads/where-did-the-laws-of-nature-come-from.7928975/page-74#post-69932235" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 204)"><strong>29 July 2016 stevevw</strong>: Cutting references from a quote is not good scholarship.</span></u></a></p><p><a href="http://www.christianforums.com/threads/where-did-the-laws-of-nature-come-from.7928975/page-78#post-69960137" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 204)"><strong>5 August 2016 stevevw</strong>: A Lynch citation to a quote starting "all four major forces play a substantial role in genomic evolution" explicitly debunks a "minor role or not much role at all" claim.</span></u></a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RealityCheck01, post: 69985311, member: 317334"] The evidence in this thread says that you have not understood the English or science in the papers - even going to the extent of quote mining (lying about) one. The answer to this simple question: [URL='http://www.christianforums.com/threads/where-did-the-laws-of-nature-come-from.7928975/page-79#post-69972128'][B]8 August 2016 stevevw[/B]: Do you understand that quote mining is definitely misleading and close to lying, e.g. removing "all four major forces play a substantial role in genomic evolution" from what you quoted from Lynch?[/URL] seems to be that you are happy to quote mine (lie about) that section in Lynch's paper by cutting the first sentence: [B]Second, all four major forces play a substantial role in genomic evolution.[/B] And now we have a new claim :eek:! [B]11 August 2016 stevevw[/B]: Cite and quote the many statements where where Lynch explicitly writes natural selection [B]is[/B] "minor or insufficient". There is [URL='http://www.christianforums.com/threads/where-did-the-laws-of-nature-come-from.7928975/page-69#post-69895601'][U][COLOR=rgb(0, 102, 204)][B]19 July 2016 stevevw[/B]: Three citations that do not state "Natural selection (adaptive forces) are negligible and/or minimal..." :eek:![/COLOR][/U][/URL] [URL='http://www.christianforums.com/threads/where-did-the-laws-of-nature-come-from.7928975/page-69#post-69895628'][U][COLOR=rgb(0, 102, 204)][B]19 July 2016 stevevw[/B]: Can you give the scientific evidence "showing that most of the ability for life to change is coming from non adaptive influences such as HGT or in development"?[/COLOR][/U][/URL] [URL='http://www.christianforums.com/threads/where-did-the-laws-of-nature-come-from.7928975/page-71#post-69903991'][U][COLOR=rgb(0, 102, 204)][B]21 July 2016 stevevw[/B]: The hint of cherry picking sources to suit your case even when they do not support you.[/COLOR][/U][/URL] [URL='http://www.christianforums.com/threads/where-did-the-laws-of-nature-come-from.7928975/page-71#post-69904011'][U][COLOR=rgb(0, 102, 204)][B]21 July 2016 stevevw[/B]: Like "not a giant" does not mean "is a dwarf".[/COLOR][/U][/URL] [URL='http://www.christianforums.com/threads/where-did-the-laws-of-nature-come-from.7928975/page-74#post-69932315'][U][COLOR=rgb(0, 102, 204)][B]28 July 2016 stevevw[/B]: The record of the "negligible and/or minimal" assertion.[/COLOR][/U][/URL] [URL='http://www.christianforums.com/threads/where-did-the-laws-of-nature-come-from.7928975/page-74#post-69932235'][U][COLOR=rgb(0, 102, 204)][B]29 July 2016 stevevw[/B]: "many aspects of genomic, cellular, and developmental evolution" is not all or even most of evolution :eek:![/COLOR][/U] [U][COLOR=rgb(0, 102, 204)][B]29 July 2016 stevevw[/B]: Quote mining to hide the context of a quote is bad scholarship. Lynch states that "all four major forces play a [B]substantial role[/B] in genomic evolution".[/COLOR][/U] [U][COLOR=rgb(0, 102, 204)][B]29 July 2016 stevevw[/B]: Cutting references from a quote is not good scholarship.[/COLOR][/U][/URL] [URL='http://www.christianforums.com/threads/where-did-the-laws-of-nature-come-from.7928975/page-78#post-69960137'][U][COLOR=rgb(0, 102, 204)][B]5 August 2016 stevevw[/B]: A Lynch citation to a quote starting "all four major forces play a substantial role in genomic evolution" explicitly debunks a "minor role or not much role at all" claim.[/COLOR][/U][/URL] [/QUOTE]
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