Where are we now in the book of Revelation?

John S said:

Since the Tribulation hasn't started yet and since "The Day of the Lord" - or WWIII - is near the end of Tribulation, "The Day of the Lord" is nowhere near happening.
In fact, NOTHING is near happening until the antichrist makes his appearance.

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The ENTIRE book of Revelation is about the time of Jacob's trouble. The last 3 and 1/2 years of the seventieth week of Daniel, to be precise.

Satan is a master of disguise and Bible students miserably fail at identifying fingerprints. Close is not good enough. History MUST match all points revealed in Scriptures to know if it is of God.

Many a book on prophecy have been written and not worth the ink and time it takes to produce them.

By Faith Alone said:

The ENTIRE book of Revelation is about the time of Jacob's trouble. The last 3 and 1/2 years of the seventieth week of Daniel, to be precise.

Satan is a master of disguise and Bible students miserably fail at identifying fingerprints. Close is not good enough. History MUST match all points revealed in Scriptures to know if it is of God.

Many a book on prophecy have been written and not worth the ink and time it takes to produce them.

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Only a head's up, ie, the 3.5 already began at 70 A.D. where we were all born toward the end of the "Tribulation, the great one", ie, a spiritual battle where the "effects" are seen and experienced in the physical.

Satan was bound in the abyss at the Cross, and the Antichrist has been doing his work for centuries.

Old Jack's view

shturt678s said:

Only a head's up, ie, the 3.5 already began at 70 A.D. where we were all born toward the end of the "Tribulation, the great one", ie, a spiritual battle where the "effects" are seen and experienced in the physical.

Satan was bound in the abyss at the Cross, and the Antichrist has been doing his work for centuries.

Old Jack's view

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My Brother:

I do not believe 70 AD was a fulfillment of prophecy. Israel were Lo-ammi (Hosea 1:9) at Acts 28. Every time Israel went into captivity prophecies were suspended for that nation until they returned.

The difference in the accounts of Solomon and Paul was 93 years concerning the history of Israel. That 93 years fits exactly as to the number of years in servitude. Paul was using gentile calendar whereas whereas Solomon was using the Hebrew calendar. God does not "see" the periods of servitude... whereas we do.

The seventieth week of Daniel will be a continuous event from the start until fulfilled.

Repent for the kingdom of Heaven is at hand....your redemption draweth nigh...this generation shall not pass. These ALL have no meaning unless some event happened to delay these prophecies.

The books of the New Testament are out of chronological order. The ONLY one in order, prophetically speaking, is the book of Revelation.

iamlamad said:

Don't be ridiculous.

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Then take a look in the mirror perhaps.

iamlamad said:

This is simply not true. How long did Jacob have to work EXTRA for the woman he loved? The answer is, seven years. This is how long Jacob's trouble will be: 7 years or the 70th week of Daniel. The 70th week begins with the 7th seal, and ends with the 7th vial, so it DOES cover much of Revelation. The last half of the week goes from the 7th trumpet to the 7th vial.

You said that right about the many books on Revelation. Most were written with human understanding alone.

LAMAD

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I did NOT say the book of Revelation was ALL there is to the time of Jacob's trouble. Did I?

iamlamad said:

"The ENTIRE book of Revelation is about the time of Jacob's trouble. The last 3 and 1/2 years of the seventieth week of Daniel, to be precise."

There is a quote of what you wrote. Do you stand by this?

The truth is, there are some chapters in the book before we get to the start of the Week, and some chapters after the week has finished. Maybe you did not really write what you meant to write. We all do that at times.

LAMAD

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You are correct. I can see how you took it that way. Did not mean as taken and was just pointing out the time period involved and did not specify my intent in total.. Peace has not been made with Israel and the anti-christ has not reared his ugly head yet.

The above quote means the Rev is about the war in the 60s. It is plainly what Christ was referring to in Mt24A.

"Revelations is about the war in the 60's".

Teaching atheistic garbage is allowed? WOW.

Rev 1 says its vision is about things at hand, quick, soon, about to happen

And there is a lot of God in it.

Interplanner said:

Rev 1 says its vision is about things at hand, quick, soon, about to happen

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And prophecies were suspended at Acts 28 (63 AD). That is why the account of Israel's history by Paul differed from the account of Solomon by 93 years. The gentile calendar sees the time of servitude of Israel whereas God's calendar does not.

Every time Israel were Lo-ammi the prophecies were suspended concerning Israel until they returned to the land.

The one new man was introduced and this calling had been hid IN God and NEVER made known to the prophets in the past:

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been.... hid in God....who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Eph 3:3-5
3 How that by revelation he made known unto....me ....the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which.... in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men.... as it is.... now ....revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

The "NOW" is 63 AD and that revelation was made to Paul and Paul alone by our ascended Lord.

By Faith Alone said:

The ENTIRE book of Revelation is about the time of Jacob's trouble. The last 3 and 1/2 years of the seventieth week of Daniel, to be precise.

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You actually are correct. The Time of Jacob's Trouble is the last half of the tribulation.

Both Daniel's 70th Week and a Time of Jacob's Trouble are about the Israel in the tribulation. one is for the entire week, the other is about the great tribulation. Two prophecies about two time-frame.

Jerico Miles said:

You actually are correct. The Time of Jacob's Trouble is the last half of the tribulation.

Both Daniel's 70th Week and a Time of Jacob's Trouble are about the Israel in the tribulation. one is for the entire week, the other is about the great tribulation. Two prophecies about two time-frame.

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Great. and both are consecutive with no break.

By Faith Alone said:

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Great. and both are consecutive with no break.

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Again you are correct.

A second prophecy (Time of Jacob's Trouble) had to be written because Israel is at peace during the first half (covenant with Antichrist) but in danger from her enemies during the second half (covenant broken and a Time of Jacob's Trouble).

Jacob's Trouble (Jer.30:7) began witht he fall of the Babylonian monarchy - judgment on the nations, and deliverance of the true spiritual Israel (Joel2:1, 2).

Old Jack

shturt678s said:

Jacob's Trouble (Jer.30:7) began witht he fall of the Babylonian monarchy - judgment on the nations, and deliverance of the true spiritual Israel (Joel2:1, 2).

Old Jack

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Did you noticed in verse 6 of Jeremiah 30, it spoke about Revelation 12?

Jeremiah 30:6-7 - ERV
(6) “Ask this question and consider it:
Can a man have a baby? Of course not!
Then why do I see every strong man holding his stomach
like a woman having labor pains?
Why is everyone’s face turning white
like a dead man?
(7) “This is a very important time for Jacob.
This is a time of great trouble.
There will never be another time like this,
but Jacob will be saved.

Interplanner said in post 312:

Rev 1 says its vision is about things at hand, quick, soon, about to happen

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In Revelation 1:1,3, as in Revelation 22:6,10, "shortly" and "at hand" can be understood in the same manner as "Surely I come quickly" in Revelation 22:20, which refers to Jesus' still-unfulfilled 2nd coming. I.e., shortly/at hand/quickly in these verses can be understood from the viewpoint of God, not men (2 Peter 3:8-9).

Also, from the viewpoint of men, part of what Revelation chapters 2-3 foretold could have begun unfolding "shortly" (Revelation 1:1,3) after John saw his Revelation vision. For the letters to the 7 literal, 1st century AD local church congregations (Revelation chapters 2-3) in 7 cities in the Roman province of "Asia" (Revelation 1:11b) could have foretold a 1st century persecution (Revelation 2:10, Revelation 3:10) under the Roman Emperor Domitian which happened shortly after John saw his vision around 95 AD, near the end of Domitian's reign (Irenaeus, Against Heresies 5:30:3c). But even all the (to us) still-future events of the tribulation and subsequent 2nd coming of Revelation chapters 6 to 19 will unfold "shortly" (Revelation 1:1,3) or "quickly" (Revelation 22:20) after John saw his vision. For from the viewpoint of God, even the passing of some 2,000 years is like the passing of only 2 days (2 Peter 3:8). Christians should look at the future fulfillment of Revelation chapters 6 to 19 (and Matthew 24) from the viewpoint of God, not men, for whom the passing of some 2,000 years seems like a long delay for its fulfillment (2 Peter 3:9).

Interplanner said in post 312:

Rev 1 says its vision is about things at hand, quick, soon, about to happen

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The tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, which Jesus will return immediately after (Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6), hasn't started yet. It will begin with a horrible war, which, with its aftermath of famines and epidemics, will end up killing 1/4 of the world (Revelation 6:4-8). The "great sword" of this war (Revelation 6:4) could be Israel's nuclear weapons. After this war, there will be a terrible series of natural disasters historically unprecedented in their magnitude, such as a gigantic volcanic eruption (Revelation 6:12-14), possibly of the Yellowstone Caldera, and then the collapse into the ocean of another erupting volcano (Revelation 8:8-9), possibly one of the Canary Islands, the collapse of which could set up a huge tsunami which could destroy the eastern seaboard of the U.S.

If such a tsunami occurs, it could cause a string of awful, Fukushima-type, nuclear-meltdown radiation disasters in the nuclear power plants and their nuclear-waste storage facilities all along the eastern seaboard of the U.S. Also, if the tsunami breaks open the germ-containment structures on Plum Island, just off the coast of Connecticut, especially deadly viruses and bacteria could be washed inland and spread across the U.S. and Canada as they infect animals and people.

After the volcanic activity and possible tsunami, a comet will strike the earth (Revelation 8:10-11), possibly in the U.S. and Canadian Great Lakes region. As the comet falls from the sky, it will look like a great star, or like a burning lamp in the sky (Revelation 8:10). It will strike a region of the earth which contains 1/3 of the world's fresh surface water (Revelation 8:10b), and it will contain some poisonous element which will poison that water so that many who drink from it will die (Revelation 8:11b). Sometime after that, weird locust-like beings will swarm up from the bottomless pit of the earth to torment mankind with excruciating stings for 5 months (Revelation 9:2-10). The world could see them as "aliens" who had been hibernating for thousands of years in a cavern deep underground. The locust-like beings won't kill anyone, but they will make those they sting want to die, the pain will be so bad (Revelation 9:5-6).

After that, an army of 200 million weird horse-like beings and their (possibly unclean spirit) riders will come upon the earth (Revelation 9:16-19). If they descend from the sky in spaceships, the world could see them as aliens. But they and the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") could (falsely) say that they're YHWH God's main army. In fact, they could be loyal to Lucifer (Satan, the dragon, Revelation 12:9). The 4 fallen angels now bound at the Euphrates who will lead this army (Revelation 9:14-16) could employ it to make mankind utterly desperate before its complete takeover by Lucifer and the Antichrist mid-tribulation (Revelation 12:9 to 13:18). For when the army starts killing 1/3 of mankind (Revelation 9:16-19), then could also begin one of the biggest deceptions ever wrought on humanity. For the Antichrist, who by that time could have managed to have been elected as the President of a Mediterranean Union formed by the joining of the European Union with an Arab Union stretching from Oman to Morocco, could announce to the world that he has sent a mental distress call to (what he could call) "My Father, our Lord Lucifer, to come with his legions of angels, and rescue mankind from this murderous army of YHWH".

(And all of this will be part of only the 1st half of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24.)

It's at this point that Lucifer and his fallen angels could be cast down out of heaven to the earth permanently after losing a mid-tribulation war in heaven (Revelation 12:7-9). But instead of coming down as a defeated force, they could descend for all the world to see in gigantic, magnificent golden spaceships onto the "Champ de Mars", Mars being the same as Marduk the dragon, the chief god of ancient Babylon. The "Champ de Mars" is the large open area in front of the Eiffel Tower in Paris. After landing there, Lucifer, a literal 7-headed, red dragon (Revelation 12:3,9), could emerge in great splendor and command his angels to capture the army of 200 million weird horse-like beings and their (possibly unclean spirit) riders, who could then pretend to defect from serving YHWH to serving Lucifer. Lucifer could then confirm that he has come to rescue mankind because the Antichrist, who he could say is his only-begotten "Son", called upon him (like in an Antichrist counterfeit of Matthew 26:53). Lucifer and the Antichrist could then be received wholeheartedly by the unsaved world as the saviors of mankind. And the unsaved world could be left thinking (mistakenly) that Lucifer and his angels were more powerful than even YHWH God's main army.

Lucifer and the Antichrist, along with the Antichrist's miracle-working False Prophet, will then deceive the world into actually worshipping Lucifer and the Antichrist and a speaking (possibly android) image of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4-16, Revelation 19:20; 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). And everyone will be made to receive a (possibly scarification) mark of the Antichrist either on their right hand or forehead, consisting of either the Antichrist's name or some representation of the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:16-18). After Lucifer and the Antichrist have ruled the world for 3.5 literal years (Revelation 13:4-18), YHWH will send 7 vials of wrath against the unsaved world (Revelation 16).

Near the end of the 7 vials, unclean spirits like frogs will come out of the mouths of Lucifer, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet (Revelation 16:13). And these unclean spirits like frogs will go forth and perform amazing miracles to convince the world's armies to gather together at Armageddon (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel) (Revelation 16:16) to battle against YHWH himself (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19). After gathering together at Armageddon as a staging area, the armies will travel south and pillage Jerusalem, right before Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30) returns from heaven and defeats them completely (Revelation 19:11 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:2-21).