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So you also have no concrete examples of well evolved humans.
 
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You make some good points.

Thanks!

How is the theory of evolution science if it cannot make predictions based on definable current facts and conditions?

Evolutionary theory does make predictions. Quite specific ones.

Granted the fanciful powers of fictional XMen might not be the kinds of things that would enhance either survivability or reproduction. What kinds of mutations would be improvements in these areas likely to contribute to the evolution of humanity?

Depends on the environment and the selective pressures.

Can you point to any evidence that these are actually happening?

That what are happening?
 
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Thanks!



Evolutionary theory does make predictions. Quite specific ones.

Which mainly sound like rationalisations after the event. Where have predictions been made about human evolution that have been proven true!?


Depends on the environment and the selective pressures.

Translates as whatever happens can be rationalised after the event to be because of it .

That what are happening?

When has evolutionary theory ever anticipated a leap in human capability BEFORE the event!?
 
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The human species has "left" evolution because of our technology. Evolutionary pressures are not quite as important - after all, we are keeping certain genes alive because of our medical technology which are not in the least beneficial for survival. Regardless however, even if that wasn't the case, there is absolutely no evolutionary reason why anyone would develop laser vision. Don't get your science from comic books.

There are some recent examples of human evolution, however. For example, the Sherpas in Nepal have evolved to survive easily at altitudes where most other people get sick. That was driven by their environment.
 
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How is the theory of evolution science if it cannot make predictions based on definable current facts and conditions?
Evolutionary biology makes predictions all the time. For example, it predicted that we would find large numbers of genetic differences between humans and chimpanzees and CpG sites in the genome -- and we did. It predicted that a mutation near the lactase gene would turn out to cause lactase persistence in adult Europeans -- and it did. The list is endless. Maybe you just don't know what kind of predictions scientists are looking for.

Granted the fanciful powers of fictional XMen might not be the kinds of things that would enhance either survivability or reproduction. What kinds of mutations would be improvements in these areas likely to contribute to the evolution of humanity?
In much of the world, resistance to HIV and to P. falciparum malaria. (The latter has already occurred to some extent.) In the developed world, the main mutation that would increase reproductive fitness would be one that gave people a desire to have more children.

Can you point to any evidence that these are actually happening?
I can certainly point to evidence that natural selection for mutations conferring disease resistance, tolerance for changes in diet and lighter skin pigmentation have been happening.
 
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So evolution no longer explains very much about the development of human beings. Microevolutionary changes occur in people in certain types of harsh environment.

Alternatively Evolution does not really explain how humans got to their current state either and the Sherpas adaptation is evidence of the flexibility of the Creators design.
 
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The human genome is already there. So you have a theory that is able to rationalise some regional configurations before the actual scientific observations.

So you needed Evolution to work out that chimps and humans were different!

Even if you were able to provide an actual prediction of a major change before it happened it may well be that the theory you are using is an overly complicated and ultimately false way of doing that. Indeed how is it any different from a comparison of the preCopernican predictions about how the planets moved. There also with the Ptolemaic system you had a highly complicated theory that was able to predict the movement of planets without a real understanding of what was going on.


Undoubtedly human beings adapt and change. The ones that survive the great plagues are the ones that breed and pass on their immunity. Thus far is common sense and evidence of microevolutionary adjustments to a changing natural world. For me that is evidence of the flexibility of the Creators design and also intervention in the circumstances of individual lives. Why for instance does one twin die of the plague and the other survive. These are adaptations but the basic design remains the same. A real prediction would be of major changes to the actual design of human beings and has never been made. Also does Evolutionary Biology really give us the tools to say that this person will live and this one die consistently or does it just get lucky sometimes
 
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No mutation could possibly give you the ability to teleport or shoot concussive force out of your eyeballs.
 
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