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Where are the parents?

Faithful83

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My family has a boat in a marina that we fish with. It's a nice marina - good for little kids to come and fish off the dock, look for turtles, etc. (of course they're really not supposed to since the dock isn't open to the public, but anyway, that's beside the point). Some of them are pretty nice mature kids while others just rough-house, which, around water, is not a good idea.

What bothers me is all too often they're not being supervised by adults. And the two boys turtle-hunting earlier today I would guess to be around 7-10 years of age. And they weren't just calmly searching for turtles either - they seemed to have no fear about the possibility of getting hurt.

Would you advocate parents just letting their kids of such an age do that? I wouldn't. Kids need to be supervised by somebody other than just who may or may not happen to be around at the time.
 

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I completely agree. It may (or may not) take "a villiage to raise a kid" but it take's the kid's parent to PARENT.
I often get frustrated with parents who assume they can offload their kids onto unwilling others -complete strangers, in some cases!- while they go do whatever they want to do. (I used to work in a toy store - it happened ALL THE TIME).
Just an off the top thought, I'd think supervision would be necessary for any kid who is under 14 years of age, well-behaved or not. The parents of those 7 and 10 year olds should be thankful those kids didn't get hurt or worse.
 
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I would not agree that children of that age should be left unsupervised in that situation or any for that matter. I have a seven year old and he is not allowed to be alone anywhere, including home. So many parents these days think that because it was so safe when they were being brought up its still okay. I think that children need at least one parent home (or with them)at all times. I plan to stay home with my kids until they finish school.
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Faithful83 said:
My family has a boat in a marina that we fish with. It's a nice marina - good for little kids to come and fish off the dock, look for turtles, etc. (of course they're really not supposed to since the dock isn't open to the public, but anyway, that's beside the point). Some of them are pretty nice mature kids while others just rough-house, which, around water, is not a good idea.

What bothers me is all too often they're not being supervised by adults. And the two boys turtle-hunting earlier today I would guess to be around 7-10 years of age. And they weren't just calmly searching for turtles either - they seemed to have no fear about the possibility of getting hurt.

Would you advocate parents just letting their kids of such an age do that? I wouldn't. Kids need to be supervised by somebody other than just who may or may not happen to be around at the time.


who cares, why not just let kids do what they want, I personally think kids should have freedom rather than be prisoners.
 
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I understand that. But frankly I don't think it's being over protective to supervise kids while they're playing near water. Running on the dock is bad enough, but not only can you fall off the dock into water, but on the side near the parking lot there's a steep embankment-like thing sometimes kids like to play around on. Trip over something, they can fall, hit their head knocking them out, and land in the water.

And it's probably not just around water that kids should be supervised. But that's an example of the possibility of children getting hurt.

Do you really think that's over protective?
 
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I would always accompany children at a marina; I would never let them go alone. The risk of drowning is too great for younger children. I'm not willing to take a chance like that. Some parents let their children roam stores while they're out shopping. That can be irresponsible as well. The risk of kidnapping is too great for younger children. Und so weiter...
 
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Heh, speaking of the store thing. I knew of someone who kept having a little kid run in front of the cart (no parent in sight). She finally threatened to hit the kid with the cart if she ran in front of it again. Then comes the mom out of the blue defending her child, and is told that she needs to learn how to parent.
 
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Hey~

It's interesting to see a question about parenting posted here, being as we non-Christians aren't allowed to post in the actual parenting forum.

Children should ALWAYS be supervised around water, in stores, or in any other situation in which their health or well being-or that of those around them-could be in danger.

cabbitgrrrl said:
who cares, why not just let kids do what they want, I personally think kids should have freedom rather than be prisoners.

Obviously, you have no children. Keeping your children from harm isn't being "overprotective", it's being their PARENT. Too often, irresponsiblity is allowed to equate "freedom". Sure, you could let your seven year old go play by the river unsupervised....let him be "free"...and he'd be just as "free" when he drowned because of your negligence...of course you certainly wouldn't be so "free" once you found yourself arrested for neglect & child endangerment. Drowning is the SECOND LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH for children, & water can take a child's life in 10 seconds.

Kids can't "do what they want" because "what they want" isn't always sensical, or logical, or safe, or even humanly possible. My four year old wants to leap buildings because he thinks he can "shoot web" like Spiderman. Does that mean I should let him fall & kill himself so he won't feel like a "prisoner"?

No. Because I am his MOTHER. Not his friend, not someone who feeds him, I am his Mother. It is my responsibilty to take care of him when he can't take care of himself, because he isn't old enough to understand how the world works. Children aren't playthings, nor are they miniature adults. That's what they need us for, to teach them boundaries, to lovingly & consistently provide limits for them. That's why they test them- they need to know the limits are there, so that they can feel secure & protected. I am certain you'll change your mindset on this particular topic once you have a baby, Cabbitgrrrl...once you hold its life in your hands & realize the immense responsibilty that the occupation of "parent" contains.

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*
 
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IMO, there needs to be more community stuff revolving around kids, what's so special about parents? Many of them are total morons. Don't get me wrong, I have two wonderful parents who I love and who raised me very well, but not everybody is that lucky, why should they lose out?
 
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IMO, there needs to be more community stuff revolving around kids, what's so special about parents?
They chose to accept the responsibility of having the kids.

Many of them are total morons.
Yes, I had a friend with parents like that.

Don't get me wrong, I have two wonderful parents who I love and who raised me very well, but not everybody is that lucky, why should they lose out?
Because of the fundamental fact of existence that life is not fair.
 
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My parents let me go out and play when I was that young. We were usually chased outside unless the weather was bad and even then, we still usually chose to go out.

We would come back just long enough to eat lunch.

By ten, I was already sailing on my own. I had a little Sunfish that my grandfather gave me.

Of course, it was a different world then.

By the way, it's funny you should say that this happened in a marina. I work in a marina. I live on the Chesapeake and am on the water pretty much all the time.
 
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I've got another one for you.

We have a neighbor that lives behind us. (our back yards connect)

They have a little boy who seems to go anywhere he pleases. He comes over to our house to see our dog, or the next door neighbor's to see their kids. I've seen him many times but I've never seen nor spoken to his parents. You want to know how old this boy is? He's 4!

I'm sorry, but no way should a four year old be allowed to run off on his own and behave this way toward people his parents don't know. This is simply irresponsible parenting.

I'm thankful that it's us he's interacting with rather than some sicko but this is still ridiculous.
 
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Key Peninsula Redneck said:
They chose to accept the responsibility of having the kids.
The parents aren't what's important though, what matters is the welfare of the kids.

Because of the fundamental fact of existence that life is not fair.
Well there's a good basis for a society. You just got raped, well life's not fair. There's a maniac with a knife running through a pre-school cutting people to pieces, well life's not fair. If we went around dismissing problems on the grounds that "life is not fair" then we'd be living in a world with very little good in it.
 
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Hey~

challenger said:
IMO, there needs to be more community stuff revolving around kids, what's so special about parents? Many of them are total morons. Don't get me wrong, I have two wonderful parents who I love and who raised me very well, but not everybody is that lucky, why should they lose out?

I certainly agree that society should be more "child-centered". True, many parents are morons. It's disturbing that you have to have a license to drive a car, but any idiot can have a baby. Having more safe activities for children would be fantastic, not only for those kids whose parents are morons, but also for those kids whose parents have to work 80 hours a week to feed them & keep a roof over their heads.

Adequate childcare is a sore spot with me. I think that if people are working their butts off and paying taxes, there should be safe & affordable, or better yet, free, government sponsered childcare available EVERYWHERE so that they can make a living. For those at or below the poverty level, there is no real "help". The assistance you can get if you're poor is only enough to keep you ever being anything more than poor. It's a vicious cycle. To get AFDC, the cap on how much income per month you can have is $263 if there are 4 people in your household. They count child support, too, so if a woman is having to raise 3 kids by herself because her husband left her(like a dear friend of mine was), and he pays the $420 a month for court ordered child support that he's supposed to, she can't get any help. If you have more than $263 a month coming in, they won't let you have AFDC. $263 a month isn't even enough to feed four people, let alone diapers for the baby or heat or electricity or water. You can't work, because you can't afford daycare, and if you do manage to get a minimum wage job, they take away your assistance because you make "too much" money. If you have a car that you are making payments on, and you barely make enough money to pay that payment, you can't get food stamps, because the car is an "asset" and you can sell it for food, right? Too bad if you need a way to WORK! It's ridiculous.

Yes, definitely, there need to be more safe alternatives for kids, especially poor kids. Why do you think so many end up selling drugs? Turning to prostitution? MONEY. When you grow up not having anything, you don't want to stay that way. If kids have the opportunity to do something, play sports, do volunteer work, even just hang out somewhere where they don't have to worry about getting shot or kidnapped, then they have a lot more self worth, and those bad things are a lot less likely to happen. Why is it so difficult for kids to get to play ball for less than $100 each? It's sickening that in this country they can pay baseball players $5 million for a year, or pay someone $30 million to act in a **** movie, but that half the population, most of them children, are below the poverty level, and will never see a fraction of that money in their lifetimes. We fight and bicker about something as ridiculous as religion, or whether gay people should be able to get married, when there are serious and way more important issues going on right now. If someone wants to get married, then let them. It's no big deal, & it has absolutely nothing to do with you. Same case with religion. There are much more pressing matters to deal with in this world-in this country-but it is going to require the holier than thou types to get down off their high horses and make a real effort to do something about it. Differences don't matter. We are ALL human beings, regardless of sex, religion, creed, or sexual orientation, and it's about **** time people started to realize that.

Sorry I got off on a few wild tangents there, but it all seems to tie together, and my rant mode suddenly decided to kick in.

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*
 
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