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...how many more followers would he have if he started parting bath water? If more tangible miracles took place today, Jesus would have more followers...which is what he wants, right?
...how many more followers would he have if he started parting bath water? If more tangible miracles took place today, Jesus would have more followers...which is what he wants, right?
Not necessarily. Remember, Jesus ROSE FROM THE DEAD and yet still there were people who did not believe.
Not to correct your misunderstanding of atheism twice in one day, but I really can't help myself.The interesting thing is that these people do not think there is no God, because that part becomes very obvious, but that they refuse to accept Him.
So even faced with death and destruction, people will not repent or be willing to the Son of God.
I can find verses if it will help with what I am saying.
I think we're all forgetting something very important about "miracles". Miracle, magic, supernatural, or whatever other name you want to call it was simply a way for explaining the unexplained in a very unenlightened age. With mankind's ever-expanding knowledge base, we have very detailed explanations for a great many things that happen in our world today. There really is no need for magic or miracles any more and that, friends, is why we don't see "miracles" like they did in biblical times.
This is partially true, but there are still miracles (in the maximally improbable, physics defying sense) which occur, just not in the West. There is still a great need for "miracles" in most of the world, and they do still occur. The world, as a whole, is far less enlightened than you presuppose.
Not to correct your misunderstanding of atheism twice in one day, but I really can't help myself.
Saying that "people do not thing there is no (sic) God, but ... they refuse to accept Him" is akin to saying that Christians don't disbelieve is Allah, they just practice Christianity because they don't want to accept the strict teachings of Islam. It's a really silly claim.
Why is the West miracle immune? Unless you mean that it's because the West is more enlightened than other places in the world... in which case, I would also partially agree.
Hold on now. I think you misread..or I miswrote, but in either case, I was saying that the question of the existance of God is a non-issue at this point. God has very much shown himself and its the conscience refusal of Him that is the point.
Can you show me where Jesus is coming back? Can you prove Jesus's miracles? Can you show there is even a thing called sin? No to all the above.Can you show me where allah is coming back? Can you show me his miracles? Can you show me where he died for our sins? No to all the above!!!
Ditto Jesus, christians invent original sin to create a need for a savior, then after the council of Nicea; presto changeo..a savior.First you have to prove to me the existance of allah and how he died for my sins in order for me to reject him.
I have, and rejected it as wishful believeing.Its really not a silly claim if you take the time to read what it says.
Either case is completely possible. If you wish to clarify, by all means do.Hold on now. I think you misread..or I miswrote.
But it isn't a non-issue. If it were we wouldn't be experiencing the surge of atheism that is taking place in the West.I was saying that the question of the existance of God is a non-issue at this point. God has very much shown himself and its the conscience refusal of Him that is the point.
You can't hold one religion to claims made by another religion. It doesn't really make much sense to do so. My point was, though, was that Muslims have just as much reason to believe Islam as Christians do Christianity; saying non-believers (in Christianity) are simply denying the Christian God (with full knowledge of his existence) is akin to saying that followers of religion X only practice religion X because they don't want to deal with the god of religion Y. It's completely arbitrary.Can you show me where allah is coming back? Can you show me his miracles? Can you show me where he died for our sins? No to all the above!!!
First you have to prove to me the existance of allah and how he died for my sins in order for me to reject him. Its really not a silly claim if you take the time to read what it says.
"Enlightenment" has really little to do with it. Don't be so quick to congratulate yourself. It has everything to do with material needs, and access to medical technology.
Hold on now. I think you misread..or I miswrote, but in either case, I was saying that the question of the existance of God is a non-issue at this point. God has very much shown himself and its the conscience refusal of Him that is the point.
Can you show me where allah is coming back? Can you show me his miracles? Can you show me where he died for our sins? No to all the above!!!
First you have to prove to me the existance of allah and how he died for my sins in order for me to reject him. Its really not a silly claim if you take the time to read what it says.
I find that when I talk to Christians, they feel that one of the main things that separate their faith from all others, is the miracles that have happened in the name of their God and Jesus Christ. They feel that miracles are the validation of his supernatural status.
My question is...Why don't we still see miracles today???
The bible claims medical miracles, instant property transformation in liquids, and the overcoming of this worlds natural laws.
All of these were tangible miracles, why don't we still see these happening? If God wanted to validate his existence with miracles that you could see with the naked eye, why did people 2,000 years ago get the advantage of seeing these when we are expected to believe it just because it's in a book that's only about 50% factual in the first place...
Your thoughts??
. . . why did people 2,000 years ago get the advantage of seeing these . . .
BUT, I had a healing miracle in response to prayer as I was coming to faith, and I was very angry indeed at first that something had happened I had trouble in denying.
No, its conscience refusel to believe something with zero evidence, its only common sense.
Can you show me where Jesus is coming back? Can you prove Jesus's miracles? Can you show there is even a thing called sin? No to all the above.
Ditto Jesus, christians invent original sin to create a need for a savior, then after the council of Nicea; presto changeo..a savior.
I have, and rejected it as wishful believeing.
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Let me ask you then, what is right and wrong? I mean, you obviously are not believing the christian faith, so where do you pull your basis from as far as standards? How do you know what is right or wrong? Call it what you want, but regardless of your belief system (or lack there of) you do wrong things!!! In religious context, that is called sin.
Not only yourself, but obviously quite a few responders here have missed the point of the post.
I was saying that the Book of Revelation says that even the physical apperance of Jesus Himself will not turn every mans heart into accepting Him, even though they will know He is the Son of God.
"Look, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of Him." (1:7)
So at THAT time, the question of Jesus being real is a NON-ISSUE.
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