When?

[zeker33:9]

When were the Gentiles in bondage in Egypt? And when did God deliver them from said bondage?

And God spake all these words, saying, I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. (Exodus 20:1-2)

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

When were the Gentiles in bondage in Egypt? And when did God deliver them from said bondage?

And God spake all these words, saying, I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. (Exodus 20:1-2)

So you are saying that the God of Israel is not our God?

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Zeker . . . You've raised a fair and interesting question. To my knowledge, Gentiles were not delivered from bondage in Egypt.

BTW -- I wasn't able to find anything in your post that suggests that the God of Israel is not our God. I'm assuming that this was not your intent.

BFA

 

[zeker33:9]

So you are saying that the God of Israel is not our God?

I simply asked when did these things take place.

 

[k4c]

When were the Gentiles in bondage in Egypt? And when did God deliver them from said bondage?

And God spake all these words, saying, I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. (Exodus 20:1-2)

When was a Gentile ever an Israelite?

Hebrews 8:8 "Behold, the days are coming,'' says the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.

Some very important thing must happen to you if you're a Gentile or else you will be an alien from the commonwealth of Israel and a stranger to the covenant of promise. You will be without God and without hope in the world.

Ephesians 2:11-12 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

You, as a Gentile, must be grafted in to the natural branches through the blood of Christ.

Romans 11:11-22 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness! For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.'' Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

Behold the wondeful work of God, spiritual Israel.

 

[zeker33:9]

BTW -- I wasn't able to find anything in your post that suggests that the God of Israel is not our God. I'm assuming that this was not your intent.

BFA

You are correct, no I was not saying that.

 

[zeker33:9]

When was a Gentile ever an Israelite?

Hebrews 8:8 "Behold, the days are coming,'' says the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.

But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. (Hebrews 8:6-9)

You are correct a Gentile was never an Israelite and we both know what came after Exodus 20:1-2. So you raise another question. Why would God establish a new and better covenant that looks exactly like the old one? That is what you're saying right?

 

[k4c]

But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. (Hebrews 8:6-9)

You are correct a Gentile was never an Israelite and we both know what came after Exodus 20:1-2. So you raise another question. Why would God establish a new and better covenant that looks exactly like the old one? That is what you're saying right?

The terms of a covenant can change while the content stays the same.

Lying, stealing, murder and so on are still sins just like under the old covenant.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Expect only questions and confusion from ECF and K4c. They live to distort the truth.

Wouldn't want Adventist beliefs in an Adventist room, now would we...

It is actually the non SDA posters that seek to bring in confusion to the room. We are quite settled in what we believe, whereas you guys are the ones asking for all the clarification.

 

[Cribstyl]

When was a Gentile ever an Israelite?

Hebrews 8:8 "Behold, the days are coming,'' says the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.

Some very important thing must happen to you if you're a Gentile or else you will be an alien from the commonwealth of Israel and a stranger to the covenant of promise. You will be without God and without hope in the world.

Ephesians 2:11-12 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

You, as a Gentile, must be grafted in to the natural branches through the blood of Christ.

Romans 11:11-22 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness! For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.'' Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

Behold the wondeful work of God, spiritual Israel.

Obviously, this guy makes up stuff constantly. Hope he's not one of your elders.

Paul is teaching that Gentiles were excluded in the past, and they were aliens and strangers from the law and covenants.

SDA must confuse this fact, in order to continue to teach that the law was given for all men at creation.

The fact that Jesus said "the law came by Moses" should open up some eyes to when the law really came.


In this case the natural branches are broken off.....So Gentile dont get grafted into the natural of branches as K4c says. He's not man enough to admit his errors.....

 

[k4c]

Obviously, this guy makes up stuff constantly. Hope he's not one of your elders.

Paul is teaching that Gentiles were excluded in the past, and they were aliens and strangers from the law and covenants.

SDA must confuse this fact, in order to continue to teach that the law was given for all men at creation.

The fact that Jesus said "the law came by Moses" should open up some eyes to when the law really came.


In this case the natural branches are broken off.....So Gentile dont get grafted into the natural of branches as K4c says. He's not man enough to admit his errors.....

You have a clever way of twisting the true. It doesn't say the Law and covenant, it says the covenants of promise.

Just because the law came through moses does not mean the law is not for everyone. The bible also says, salvation is of the jews. Does that mean everyone else can't be saved?

Let the Spirit of God point out your sin and then repent. It's just that easy.

 

[Cribstyl]

You have a clever way of twisting the true. It doesn't say the Law and covenant, it says the covenants of promise.

Just because the law came through moses does not mean the law is not for everyone. The bible also says, salvation is of the jews. Does that mean everyone else can't be saved?

First of all, I did not intend to articulate Eph 2:12.

My statement is true according to Paul saying "strangers of the covenants in Ep2:12 and "Gentiles which have not the law."Rom 2:14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

I followup on every reasonable question unlike you two.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I followup on every reasonable question unlike you two.

Good for you Crib... I hope this comforts you.

 

[Cribstyl]

Good for you Crib... I hope this comforts you.

Stop playing the us against them card, it's getting kinda lame.
Rather than being red, black or blue, can we just be people trying to understand each other?

You two are shooting off your gunz about what others believe and acting as if your faith is under attack.

There are many question asked in your posts, but you dont reply to any questions posed to you. Why is that?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

There are many question asked in your posts, but you dont reply to any questions posed to you. Why is that?

I didn't know I was commanded to continue to entertain scoffers....

 

[zeker33:9]

I didn't know I was commanded to continue to entertain scoffers....

ECR, if you learned the Absolute Truth today, would you accept it, knowing that now you have to submit to it?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

ECR, if you learned the Absolute Truth today, would you accept it, knowing that now you have to submit to it?

We will not know the 'absolute truth' in this life but I believe that I am on the right path of understanding. This includes the inspired teachings through Ellen White as well as the pioneer understanding of the pillars of Adventism, as well as the whole inspired Word of God.

Therefore, people that do not believe in these thing cannot offer me greater light as they are not walking in the light thats already been given, imo.

 

[RND]

When were the Gentiles in bondage in Egypt? And when did God deliver them from said bondage?

And God spake all these words, saying, I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. (Exodus 20:1-2)

Bondage is typically a euphemism for being in sin as we know. Before the gentiles were taken out of Egypt with the Israelites (the "mixed multitude") God gave instruction to the Israelites and gentiles how to become an Israelite. This mirrors 100% how stranger's to God Kingdom now are to become Israelites.

1. Accept the passover lamb. (Jesus)
2. Get circumcised. (Heart, not flesh)

God gave instructions before coming out of Egypt (sin). Same holds true today. All are in sin (Romans 3:23) and all need a Saviour.

 

[RND]

Why would God establish a new and better covenant that looks exactly like the old one? That is what you're saying right?

The problem wasn't with the covenant but how it was kept.

 

[zeker33:9]

We will not know the 'absolute truth' in this life but I believe that I am on the right path of understanding. This includes the inspired teachings through Ellen White as well as the pioneer understanding of the pillars of Adventism, as well as the whole inspired Word of God.

Therefore, people that do not believe in these thing cannot offer me greater light as they are not walking in the light thats already been given, imo.

Thank you for your response ECR.

Actually, it's really a simple question to answer, and only requires a yes or no answer. But what it is intended to do, is get you to think, and examine yourself.

Let me break it down for you. Here's the question again.

"If you learned the absolute Truth today, would you accept it, knowing, that now you have to submit to it?"

When we learn something we either accept it as the truth or not. If we accept it then we have to consider our actions from then on, based on the Truth that we now know and accept to be the Truth.

Honestly if you answer the question with anything other than yes or no, you are putting conditions on the truth are you not? So in essence, the Truth must be on your terms, or you won't accept it as the Truth. If it never meets your conditions it doesn't change the fact it is indeed the Truth, it's just that it doesn't meet your requirements. Because you know that once you accept something as the Truth you will have to submit to it.

A problem comes in, because we have been told that anyone who claims to know the Truth must be one of two things, either they are a fool or they are arrogant. Nobody wants to be called a fool do they? And nobody really likes being called arrogant. So what does this leave you with? It relieves you of ever having to search for the Truth.

When you put conditions on the Truth, you are the one who loses. The Truth is the Truth, no matter how you slice it, it's still the Truth. It's just that it doesn't meet up with your conditions, because deep down, you aren't willing to submit to it. Therefore if you are never really searching for it, you can rest assured you'll never find it.

The question is designed to get you to examine yourself. I know the Absolute Truth. His name is Jesus Christ not Ellen White.