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Darn it, I missed that! Whatever it was, is it still available somewhere?It's both. I mean, I was on the ABC the other night. (That was fun).
Will PM you.Darn it, I missed that! Whatever it was, is it still available somewhere?
Really, when you consider how the New Woke Religion virtue signals and condemns certain behaviour and hearsay ande then tries to conform everyone to its creed through shaming I think it has the hallmarks of religious belief.
Yes everyone should have the Right to express their belief. But forcing others to also follow that belief is wrong and attacking others who express their opposing beliefs is wrong.If you think it is a religion, do you also think it should have the same protections that other religions have?
I agree there are outliner views within the Christain Church but that doesn't mean they are represent Gods Truth. The point is they are the exception and not the rule. We don't measure what represents Truth or reality by exceptions. We have 2 or maybe more opinions on what is the Truth. Are we to say they are all truth or that there is no truth. TheTruth should cohere with reality.You’re perfectly entitled to your opinion. But you must know that more than one “Christian worldview” exists. The Episcopal Church in the US supports same-sex marriage, and performs such weddings in their chapels. They also fully accept transgender persons as parishioners, and have no problem with medical/surgical gender affirmation treatment. The United Church of Christ, since the late 60s, supports reproductive rights for women, including terminating a pregnancy. You shouldn’t overlook that Christianity has a much broader range of doctrines and beliefs than just yours.
Maybe, just maybe, it's not as neat and clear cut as that. After all, the weeds and the wheat grow together until the harvest.So at this point in our history we have a situation where there is Gods Truth and Will on earth and the anti Christ truth. I am trying to determine what is Gods Truth and what is not. There has to be a destinction between Christains and the World. What is it, whats the ideas aned beliefs thats involved ande how edoes this differ.
I am asking or posing that the anti Christain sentiment and growth of anti Christain ideologies is a sign of this growing destinction. It has to be because it seems to oppose many of Gods Truths which we have lived by in our History. If not who are the Christains and what does the World represent. Or is the anti Christain growth really the Christains and the Christains really the anti God.
I agree there are outliner views within the Christain Church but that doesn't mean they are represent Gods Truth. The point is they are the exception and not the rule. We don't measure what represents Truth or reality by exceptions.
If you think it is a religion, do you also think it should have the same protections that other religions have?
No, Judaism always looked to the anointed one that ruled all.Didn’t Christianity begin as an exception—or outlier—within Old Testament Judaism?
It is deeper than this. They are standing with those that would legally punish those not complying.For example by supporting Affirmation and Transition model of care for Gender Dysphoria the Episcopal Church is supporting an idea that has no basis in fact or reality and is harmful to young people.
That is complete and utter nonsense. Whoever told you that is lying to you.For example by supporting Affirmation and Transition model of care for Gender Dysphoria the Episcopal Church is supporting an idea that has no basis in fact or reality and is harmful to young people. At the very least we have little to no data in this area so the risks are unknown.
And hey, you have determined it. So if there's any moral problem then we can defer to you. Are you cool with that?The point I was trying to make is that if there is a God then surely there is only one Way, Truth and Life.
So you know what these boundaries are? And who can and cannot legitimately be called a Christian?There are outer boundaries to what can legitimately be called Christianity. Almost across the spectrum, progressive/liberal theologies, denominations and churches are counterfeits of Christianity.
Historically, there has been a broad consensus about what the doctrinal essentials are. This is illustrated in the way CF handles who is considered Christian; if you adhere to the Nicene Creed, you're in. If you don't, you're not. And it's why, for example, most mainstream churches will re-baptise Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses but not people baptised in another mainstream church; we don't see Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses as really Christian, because they don't share that doctrinal core.So you know what these boundaries are? And who can and cannot legitimately be called a Christian?
Not true. being Homosexual is not sin. But to engage in homosexual acts is sin.Historically, there has been a broad consensus about what the doctrinal essentials are. This is illustrated in the way CF handles who is considered Christian; if you adhere to the Nicene Creed, you're in. If you don't, you're not. And it's why, for example, most mainstream churches will re-baptise Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses but not people baptised in another mainstream church; we don't see Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses as really Christian, because they don't share that doctrinal core.
However, one of the tensions that has crept in in recent times (and which we see reflected in this thread), is that in response to contemporary social complexity, there's a movement to insist on a set of moral essentials as well. This is a relatively new approach (and a contested one).
It is not this either really. It is first, thinking it not a sin to engage in the activity, how can one repent if it is not sin. And then going even further to support the forcing the support of that sin, and punishments for believing it is sin.So we start to see claims that people who think differently about sexuality in particular, or a small group of other issues, are "not really Christian." I view this as deeply dangerous and unhelpful, but as it seems to be driven by deep underlying anxiety, it's very difficult to deal with at the level of the presenting issues.
A distinction lost on many people.being Homosexual is not sin. But to engage in homosexual acts is sin.
We see exactly this, for example, in post #232. The claim that progressives or liberals are "counterfeit" Christians, and Satanic.It is not this either really.
lol sorry I will try to remember but I didn't think I was spelling it wrong, don't have spell checker. Its not referring it to me but to Gods Truth through Christ.And hey, you have determined it. So if there's any moral problem then we can defer to you. Are you cool with that?
And can you please spell Christian correctly? I don't want to be a grammar Nazi but it's driving me nuts...
What you are seeing is the result of what is happening now. But morals of sexuality, have been at least preached, and taught since the time of those councils that set the essentials of our faith. But also known long before, LONG before. Nochide l;aw, for Gentiles, taught among Jew's for righteous Gentiles. Unto which Gentiles righteousness in keeping with the covenant made with ALL MAN, have a share in (the world to come (heaven). Which world is the focus is to the Church. We are strangers and sojourners in this world and this life.A distinction lost on many people.
We see exactly this, for example, in post #232. The claim that progressives or liberals are "counterfeit" Christians, and Satanic.
I was illustrating a point with that example, but for what it's worth, yes, I think at its roots it is a matter of thinking differently about sexuality. And in particular, how we understand the intersecting biological, psychological, relational and spiritual aspects of sexuality, and how each relates to ethics."Think differently about sexuality" - is that all it is?
I'm not saying there aren't. What I'm saying is that making agreement on moral issues a litmus test for Christian identity is a relatively new approach.I believe there ARE moral essentials.
I appreciate the distinction, and thank you for making it. However, I'm not sure it's reasonable to say that someone is giving effect to a satanic influence, but say that doesn't amount to being "satanic."Nice try, but you have badly misstated what I said. I said, "Almost across the spectrum, progressive/liberal theologies, denominations and churches are counterfeits of Christianity." I made - and make - no judgment as to whether individuals are or aren't Christians. I do believe there is a satanic influence, but I did not and do not suggest that individuals are "Satanic."
No, I was speaking more generally on that point. It is very common, both on this forum and in real life, for people to fail to grasp the difference between orientation and behaviour.You also cited my post, entirely without basis, as suggesting that I fail to grasp the distinction between a homosexual orientation and engaging in homosexual practices.
And I would agree with Paidiske that it's essentially an adherence to the Nicene Creed (which I can still recite verbatim after all many these years). If you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, was sacrificed for our sins and was resurrected then...you're a Christian. Fundamentally, that's it. All else is open for discussion.I believe there are genuine Christian essentials that the vast majority of Christians who have ever lived, be they Orthodox, Catholic or Protestant, would agree upon. Those essentials are the outer boundaries.
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