When saw we thee a stranger?

[Fireinfolding]

Was looking at this...

Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

I was on another thread where this come up and I was looking for my study for it and I just cant find it. On this newer puter I cant search for my documents the same way as on my older one (which is fustrating) so I was trying to tackle it again (there). After posting I just started re editing and adding to that one.

What are your insights to this? I personally believe they were seeing (after the flesh) but not perceiving who (by the Spirit) was sent to them (or as "unawares") just as Paul writes. Because Paul likewise said, forget not to entertain (strangers) for thereby some have entertained "angels" (unawares)... They ask when saw we thee (a stranger) in some kind of need and (took thee) not in? So they were seeing but not perceiving. Whereas Paul said (ye recieved me) as an angel of God, even as Christ himself. In every instance (shown there) these seemed to come in need as well. But even as Paul said he was specifically "instructed of the Lord to be both full and to be in need".

Had to be in the flesh in some way for another to reccognize the need itself (just not the who) that might have been instructed to come in that need (which could very well have provided an opportunity to those around them) as it was for those in the above.

For example...

Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

Whereas here (just as God is not unrighteous to forget you labour of love and kindness ye have shown to his name) is remembered even here...

Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Because he likewise says...

Mat 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Heres Pauls instruction...

Phil 4:12-13 I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. (in relation to himself, he adds) I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Phil 4:14 Notwithstanding ye have well done, that ye did communicate with my affliction.

People see another (after the flesh) but not perceiving (after the Spirit) is scriptural (indicating the "unawares") It also might be helpful to look up who he is not ashamed to call brethren because Jesus points out what you have done to to the least of these brethren of mine ye have done it unto me.

For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified (are all of one): for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren

The receiving of those Christ sends is equated with the receiving of Himself (and He who sent Him). Even when they received Paul (he mentions something of his flesh they could perceive and could have despised) which they did not. And they received him as an angel of God, even Christ himself (in spite of it). Given Paul speaks of His instruction, which is of the Lord to be both full (perhaps to be able to help others in need) but also to suffer need (which can actually present an opportunity to others) to show ones love for God (in our actions of love toward another).

Opportunities presented

Phil 4:10 But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly, that now at the last (((your care of me))) hath flourished again; wherein ye were also careful, but ye lacked opportunity

Opportunities...

Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Opportunities...

Gal 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

Loving in word only is shown....

James 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

Adressed also by John...

1John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth

As is His commandment, that we love one another.

But John asks...

1John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

Because Paul says faith worketh by love, and love (as John points out) is more then in word and in tongue but in deed and in truth. As James points out, be ye a doer of the word, not a hearer only (which is us deceiving ourselves) needing no man to do that for us.

Or even as our Lord points out...

Why call me (Lord, Lord) and not do as I say?

However here (Lord, Lord) can be shown in respects to practicing inquity

Many will say to me in that day (Lord, Lord) have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

This also is adressed by the Apostles as to why we are to depart from iniquity

Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for (as ye have yielded your members) servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so (now yield your members) servants to righteousness unto holiness.

So, after I had posted I was thinking further on them, and another thought come to me, but this time in respects to the world and how the world loves its own (also). Just as (in the opposite sense) ye are no more of the world (therefore the world hateth you). Theres also a receiving (of its own) too but the not recieving you (in the same way). I was wondering about this in respects to "when did we not see you and not do unto you"? This is where I am currently on this one. I am just thinking on this one now not convinced I am catching that aright (yet) or whether that can be tied into what I seem to be catching in the rest.

Time will tell, but please add if you have anything further

God bless you

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.



Another good thread. We always need to remember to walk the walk, not just talk the talk. Peace

 

[Fireinfolding]

James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.



Another good thread. We always need to remember to walk the walk, not just talk the talk. Peace

Amen bro. You were out hunting today I suppose?

Hey, now that you bring it up (but not really) the Amorites, ever look at what that means? Because it means "A Sayer" ..ever find relevance in names that pop up from time to time?

Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

You made me think of this given both (walking and talking) are somewhat found in there.

God bless you brother

 

[angelmom01]

Yep.... another good thread... (though not surprisingly! )

 

[Fireinfolding]

Yep.... another good thread... (though not surprisingly! )

Hey my sister Thanks sis, miss the days when you could use the puter at work to get online

Those days... ~poof~... gone (sheesh) miss dem days though

God bless you

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Amen bro. You were out hunting today I suppose?

Hey, now that you bring it up (but not really) the Amorites, ever look at what that means? Because it means "A Sayer" ..ever find relevance in names that pop up from time to time?

Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

You made me think of this given both (walking and talking) are somewhat found in there.

God bless you brother

Matthew 21:28-31

King James Version (KJV)



28But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
29He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
30And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not. 31Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you

It was not he who made a confession to work, but he who did the will of the Father.

And yes, I was out hunting. But I'll try to drop a line from time to time.
Keep up the good work, talk to later, Lord willing. Peace.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Matthew 21:28-31

King James Version (KJV)



28But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
29He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
30And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not. 31Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you

It was not he who made a confession to work, but he who did the will of the Father.

And yes, I was out hunting. But I'll try to drop a line from time to time.
Keep up the good work, talk to later, Lord willing. Peace.

Good example bro, thank you. And happy hunting to you

God bless you

 

[blessedmomof5]

Hi Sis,

Good to " see" you as always!

I was studying the same verses the other day,
And while i was on my quest, it was stated that when Jesus spoke about * my brethren* he was talking about the Jewish people? Got me thinking? Then i read futher and was 0___0

Unless i am total confused take a look at this and tell me what you think?

"I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me, I was in prison and you came to Me.".

...therefore....

"Come, you blessed of My Father, and inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world!"

This is all understood, though all too many Christians don’t take this seriously enough; neither the qualifications, nor the promise, nor the warning. As stated in the Introduction, you cannot take the Bible too seriously. To ignore this is to be a goat, in the terms of the Parable. For you who take it seriously, and above all, who act on it, well;

"...what eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor has entered into the heart of man, the things which God has prepared for those who love Him..."

.....are what awaits you!

For you who don’t, you better hope you don’t find out what awaits you!

The Misunderstanding

For all that is understood about this Parable, and as well known as the Parable is, there is one small matter in which it has been widely misunderstood. This misunderstanding has been the cause of so much waste of Christian time, money, and material that it boggles the mind to consider it. In some cases, it has brought severe chastisement to Christians who thought they were being obedient. It has also, in an indirect way, been the cause of needless suffering among other Christians. The whole issue surrounds the definition of one key term in the Parable. This definition is the cornerstone on which proper understanding and application of this Parable rests. Yet this key term has been widely misunderstood. The result is that many Christians who thought they were being obedient servants to God were in fact committing effective rebellion, and thus the waste. The definition I’m talking about is how we understand the phrase, "the least of these My brethren". For general purposes, we can leave out the "the least of these" and concentrate on defining "My brethren". It is of critical importance that we correctly, in strict Scriptural terms, understand who His "brethren" are.

Who are "His Brethren"?

In the eyes of the unsaved who are familiar with the Parable (many are) and in the thinking of many Christians, this phrase refers to the entire human race, without qualification. This kind of thinking is related to the idea of the universal brotherhood of all men. Although this idea sounds good, it has been astutely noted by many teachers and scholars of the Word that it is not in the Bible. That is to say, from the standpoint of Scripture, all men are not brothers! This is one of those hard Biblical truths that even Christians often find difficult to accept. The thing that makes men brothers is that they have the same father. It has been noted that although God is the Creator of all mankind, He is the Father only of Christians (and, in a different sense, the nation of Israel). You may recall that Jesus called the Jewish leaders who opposed Him, "....(sons) of your father the devil". Spiritually speaking, He meant it. See John 8:42-44. In the Old Testament,[bless and do not curse]Ahab, king of Israel was severely rebuked by a prophet when he called a pagan king "my brother". See I Kings 20:31-43. In fact, the Bible says that it was that sin that led to his death. Remember that what applied to Israelites versus Gentiles in the Old Testament applies to Christians versus unbelievers in the New.

In keeping with principles of sound doctrine, we will allow Scripture to interpret Scripture. We will call upon Jesus Himself to tell us who He meant by "My brethren". He gave us His definition of the term in Matthew 12:46-50:

While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and His brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him.

Then one said to Him, "Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You."

But he answered and said to the one who told Him, "Who is my mother and who are my brothers?"

And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, "Here are My mother and My brothers!

For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother."

Jesus told us that His brothers are those who are obedient to God. He refused to even acknowledge His blood relatives as His brothers! Which is to say, "His brethren" are our fellow Christians. And that as opposed to unbelievers, whoever they are. The people whom Jesus referred to as "My brethren" in the Parable are our fellow Christians, and no one else. To apply this term to non-Christians is a very serious error. The main point of this Parable is that we must be diligent about being servants to our fellow Christians. Furthermore, with the phrase, "the least of these", He was telling us that we are to put no qualifications on which of our fellow Christians we will be servants to, an idea that is echoed all through the New Testament. See, for example, James 2:1-9. The poor James referred to were the poor within the Church, as shown in verse 5. We must be servants equally to all our fellow Christians, regardless of their ethnic, social or economic status. We won’t be ready for the Tribulation if we don't.



The Parable of

 

[Fireinfolding]

Hi Sis,

Good to " see" you as always!

I was studying the same verses the other day,
And while i was on my quest, it was stated that when Jesus spoke about * my brethren* he was talking about the Jewish people? Got me thinking? Then i read futher and was 0___0

Unless i am total confused take a look at this and tell me what you think?

"I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me, I was in prison and you came to Me.".

...therefore....

"Come, you blessed of My Father, and inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world!"

This is all understood, though all too many Christians don’t take this seriously enough; neither the qualifications, nor the promise, nor the warning. As stated in the Introduction, you cannot take the Bible too seriously. To ignore this is to be a goat, in the terms of the Parable. For you who take it seriously, and above all, who act on it, well;

"...what eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor has entered into the heart of man, the things which God has prepared for those who love Him..."

.....are what awaits you!

For you who don’t, you better hope you don’t find out what awaits you!

The Misunderstanding

For all that is understood about this Parable, and as well known as the Parable is, there is one small matter in which it has been widely misunderstood. This misunderstanding has been the cause of so much waste of Christian time, money, and material that it boggles the mind to consider it. In some cases, it has brought severe chastisement to Christians who thought they were being obedient. It has also, in an indirect way, been the cause of needless suffering among other Christians. The whole issue surrounds the definition of one key term in the Parable. This definition is the cornerstone on which proper understanding and application of this Parable rests. Yet this key term has been widely misunderstood. The result is that many Christians who thought they were being obedient servants to God were in fact committing effective rebellion, and thus the waste. The definition I’m talking about is how we understand the phrase, "the least of these My brethren". For general purposes, we can leave out the "the least of these" and concentrate on defining "My brethren". It is of critical importance that we correctly, in strict Scriptural terms, understand who His "brethren" are.

Who are "His Brethren"?

In the eyes of the unsaved who are familiar with the Parable (many are) and in the thinking of many Christians, this phrase refers to the entire human race, without qualification. This kind of thinking is related to the idea of the universal brotherhood of all men. Although this idea sounds good, it has been astutely noted by many teachers and scholars of the Word that it is not in the Bible. That is to say, from the standpoint of Scripture, all men are not brothers! This is one of those hard Biblical truths that even Christians often find difficult to accept. The thing that makes men brothers is that they have the same father. It has been noted that although God is the Creator of all mankind, He is the Father only of Christians (and, in a different sense, the nation of Israel). You may recall that Jesus called the Jewish leaders who opposed Him, "....(sons) of your father the devil". Spiritually speaking, He meant it. See John 8:42-44. In the Old Testament,[bless and do not curse]Ahab, king of Israel was severely rebuked by a prophet when he called a pagan king "my brother". See I Kings 20:31-43. In fact, the Bible says that it was that sin that led to his death. Remember that what applied to Israelites versus Gentiles in the Old Testament applies to Christians versus unbelievers in the New.

In keeping with principles of sound doctrine, we will allow Scripture to interpret Scripture. We will call upon Jesus Himself to tell us who He meant by "My brethren". He gave us His definition of the term in Matthew 12:46-50:

While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and His brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him.

Then one said to Him, "Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You."

But he answered and said to the one who told Him, "Who is my mother and who are my brothers?"

And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, "Here are My mother and My brothers!

For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother."

Jesus told us that His brothers are those who are obedient to God. He refused to even acknowledge His blood relatives as His brothers! Which is to say, "His brethren" are our fellow Christians. And that as opposed to unbelievers, whoever they are. The people whom Jesus referred to as "My brethren" in the Parable are our fellow Christians, and no one else. To apply this term to non-Christians is a very serious error. The main point of this Parable is that we must be diligent about being servants to our fellow Christians. Furthermore, with the phrase, "the least of these", He was telling us that we are to put no qualifications on which of our fellow Christians we will be servants to, an idea that is echoed all through the New Testament. See, for example, James 2:1-9. The poor James referred to were the poor within the Church, as shown in verse 5. We must be servants equally to all our fellow Christians, regardless of their ethnic, social or economic status. We won’t be ready for the Tribulation if we don't.



The Parable of

Hi sis! Long time no see! Good to see ya! God bless you!

I think Paul knew the "unawares" part wherein he said do good to all men but **especially** the household of faith. Goodwill is to all men (no doubt).

As I continue to look at "these brethren of mine" it very much appears (to me) to be those who are in Jesus Christ. Sanctified by the Spirit through whom we cry Abba Father. Having the Spirit of adoption (into the household of God). However, He (Who) sanctifies (and they which are sanctified) are "the these" He is not ashamed to call brethren in relationship to Himself (they are all of one). He (ofcourse) having the preeminence being the firstborn among many brethren (bringing many sons to glory) and to God. And Jesus himself said, he that receiveth you (those He sends) receiveth me (and He who sent Him). Even Paul said He that hath not the Spirit of Christ is "none of His" (so even there) Because the Lord knows them that are His. And ofcourse, those who are not.

He also adresses those who come in His name and also another who would come in his own name (him you will receive). Paul likewise speaks of false brethren. So there appears to be distinctions drawn. Paul even speaks of a man who "calls himself" a brother etc.

We know we should do good to all men (I wouldnt look at this as an excuse to not to do good anyone) because we are to love our enemies. But I do feel as though "these brethren of mine" is not speaking of just anyone at all. If it was something after the flesh (we arent to know any man after the flesh) and it specifically states that he that hath not the Spirit of Christ (is none of His) so these (obviously) cannot be "brethren of mine"

Thats how I see it though, hope I didnt mess with your brain here

Its just how I am seeing it, are we on the same wavelength sis? LOL

God bless you!

 

[C R F]

I was hungry and you gave me meat.
There is the milk of scripture and the mature eat meat.
I was athirst and you gave me drink
When you thirst for knowledge of God it is the waters of wisdom you must drink
I was naked and you clothed me.
The word as seen is naked and putting understanding on it is to robe it.
I was sick and you visited me.
The teachings of the bible without spiritual understanding afflict people with all sorts of sickness. No eyes to see or ears to hear. All the sicknesses come from the waters and bread of affliction, again come with people in error of their understanding.
I was in prison and you came to me.
There is that great prison of darkness from the bondage of sin.

People who are strange to the things of the spirit and of God are strangers.

When you study the bible and get understanding and wisdom found in the bible and add it to the new testament, you are adding it to the breathren of Jesus and doing it to him as well. When you give this understanding to the church you do it to Jesus as the church is his body.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Hi CRF, God bless, thanks for adding.



John does say this worlds good in relation to a brothers need


1John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?


Here they sold their possessions and goods and parted these to every mans need


Acts 2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.



Here James speaks of just speaking the speak and not giving them "those things" (specifically needed) for the body.


James 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?


To the rich young ruler...


Luke 8:22 Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.


Wheresas here its being rich in good works, and ready to distribute


1Ti 6:18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.



Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:


Well doing, how does one do well?


James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

Love thy neighbor as thyself, however...


1John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother
have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?


Having this worlds good and shutting up ones compassion from his brother (who is in need) is He appears to form the question, how dwelleth the love of God in him?


So if one needs spiritual meat (fine) prophesying in His name is also shown in that picture. However the apostles do not negate sending a brother away without whats nessesary for his bodily needs. He specifically uses the words "this worlds good".

No one is as spiritual as the apostle John, and the apostle was not speaking of ones spiritual goods but this world's good.

He didnt get all hyper spiritual on us there is all.

God bless

 

[C R F]

Hi CRF, God bless, thanks for adding.



John does say this worlds good in relation to a brothers need


1John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?


Here they sold their possessions and goods and parted these to every mans need


Acts 2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.



Here James speaks of just speaking the speak and not giving them "those things" (specifically needed) for the body.


James 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?


To the rich young ruler...


Luke 8:22 Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.


Wheresas here its being rich in good works, and ready to distribute


1Ti 6:18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.



Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:


Well doing, how does one do well?


James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

Love thy neighbor as thyself, however...


1John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother
have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?


Having this worlds good and shutting up ones compassion from his brother (who is in need) is He appears to form the question, how dwelleth the love of God in him?


So if one needs spiritual meat (fine) prophesying in His name is also shown in that picture. However the apostles do not negate sending a brother away without whats nessesary for his bodily needs. He specifically uses the words "this worlds good".

No one is as spiritual as the apostle John, and the apostle was not speaking of ones spiritual goods but this world's good.

He didnt get all hyper spiritual on us there is all.

God bless

This world in the scriptures is made up of good and evil. They both come from the same word according to a person's understanding. The word of the spirit is of God and if a man understands the spirit the love of God dwells within him. He's talking about the good part of the scriptures. How can a man who does not understand the spirit give love. He afflicts his neighbor with all sorts os divers deseases. I'm not talking physical. The word is there, having eyes they will not see and ears they will not hear. They are paralized in there own understanding. If you have the spiritual understanding you have the good and if your neighbor is in need and you give him , you love thy neighbor as thy self. To teach without that understanding is what you do to someone you hate, you hate your neighbor and afflict him. That is doing the things Jesus himself hated, the lying tongue. When you have the spiritual understanding and teach the brother in need compassion runs threw you. People are healed when you teach with compassion and think of the woman with the blood ministration problem and then think of the woman as a church and compassion healing that problem.

I'm not saying not to be good or kind to people, I'm saying you can't get to heaven from doing that, that would be considered buying your way into heaven.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I dont see where I put "getting to heaven" but lay up treasure in heaven CRF, even as Jesus said, lay not up treasure for thyself on earth

So it would be obeying Jesus (not saying Lord, Lord ) and not doing what he says (in otherwords)

Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Obeying the truth through the Spirit UNTO unfeigned love

1Peter 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

Little steps, even as Peter shows elsewhere we add to our faith (in practice) theres nothing wrong with adding to our faith and growing.

I know you keep going on about spiritual this and spiritual that, I get it. But Im pointing out that one of the most spiritual apostles in scripture is specifically speaking of worldly goods.

I honestly cant figure out which scripture(s) you might have a problem with when I post them. Because the scriptures seem to always be met with your own words at them as if theres some kind of disagreement with whats posted. But I cannot know because I can never figure out what you are trying to say bro.

Maybe you can reword the apostles own words for me as you see fit?

You will have to consider me as an unspiritual one and speak to me as a child because I dont hear much outside of scriptures.

So "this worlds good" can be read as "the next world's good?"

What was John thinking?

I know I have (in the past) put in for a milk request to the big boys of the meat dept but you must consider me as helpless babe here. Afterall I am only breaking in my baby teeth (And I have sore baby gums) all that.

Know what I am saying?

Besides its past my nappy time

God bless

 

[angelmom01]

Exactly! Taking care of "widows" and "orphans" can certainly have a spiritual application, but that doesn't mean we should neglect that natural application.

 

[C R F]

Exactly! Taking care of "widows" and "orphans" can certainly have a spiritual application, but that doesn't mean we should neglect that natural application.

You see what you say here Anglemom. It's perfect except it is the spiritual that is neglected. All christians do good things and are good to their neighbours. Well most anyway yet they all neglect the spiritual and because I point these things out, people don't like what I say. Oh well.

 

[angelmom01]

You see what you say here Anglemom. It's perfect except it is the spiritual that is neglected. All christians do good things and are good to their neighbours. Well most anyway yet they all neglect the spiritual and because I point these things out, people don't like what I say. Oh well.

I think that in a lot of cases it can be the spiritual that is neglected, but that's because you cannot "attend to" that which you "don't understand", right?

By the same token, I think that there are some who can spent so much time addressing the spiritual that they begin to neglect the needs of the flesh, right?

Even Jesus said that we should not do the one and leave the other undone, right? I think that's what was being addressed.

Though we may, indeed "hunger" spiritually, being given "a word of truth" by which we might (or might not) "be blessed" (for the carnally minded cannot even receive the things of God, right?) it isn't going to "fill the belly" of one whose "hunger" is according to the flesh. And should we not also meet "those" needs in others, as well?

For are not these the "good works" unto which we were ordain to walk - in the fulfillment of the law - to love one another?

 

[angelmom01]

I do "get" what you are saying.... (so does Kim ). it's just not "that" which was being addressed by way of the "worldly goods" which we should bestow on those "in need" when given occasion to demonstrate the love of God to those in need of "worldly goods" (not just spiritual ones). See what I mean?

Anyway.... gotta go to bed!! It's late and I have to get up very early.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Exactly Angelmom The context was important, I underlined and bolded "this worlds" up there a few times

The context was... If any man hath THIS WORLDS GOODS

John didnt say dazzle the guy with your spirituality or wisdom of words BUT GIVE HIM THOSE THINGS.

Now, if he would have said...

"If thou seest thy brother hungry for bodily food (and thy cupboard is full) never thee mind all that (thou art spiritual) Just say to him... "he that eats that bread will hunger again" (for it is true) SAY (again) unto him BE FILLED (somehow) but not by me (for I into the deeper spiritual things)


"Depart in peace my brother" (for I've ordered a large pizza with extra cheese) and its getting pretty darn cold (while I am out here talking to you).

And, in case you missed "the obvious", My love for you (and for God) is immeasureable (just sayin') in case you arent "feeling it"

Okey dokey