When is abortion okay

[angellica]

I have a question for those of you who are for abortion - at what point is it not okay, from conception to the actual birth? I mean, how late is too late in your opinion? Should abortions be legal for women pregnant for < 3 months? Should they be legal up to birth? I'd like to hear what you have to say. I'd like to stay away from arguments of whether or not abortion is right/legal/okay/etc. and focus on those who believe that it is okay or legal. How late in pregnancy can a woman have an abortion, in your opinion? Support your case.

I appreciate any and all who participate in this. It's mainly for my own education because I'm interested in "your" point of view and why you feel the way you do. Thanks!

 

[Washington]

Any answer you pay attention to should only have come from a medical professional who's familiar with the issue.

 

[truthshift]

I'm tempted to simply copy and paste from the other thread, actually.

 

[God-free]

A correction should be made to the OP. No-one is for abortion. I think you mean pro-choice. There is a big difference.

~Barbara

 

[PerrySB]

Personally I don&#8217;t think it is an issue of at what stage of the pregnancy, it is an issue of should you end the childs life that is inside of you. My wife had a very high risk pregnancy and the doctors told us the she need to abort the pregnancy. We refused and I have a beautiful 26 year old daughter that we wouldn&#8217;t of had if we had not done what we felt God wanted us to do at the time and that was trust him.

 

[Jade Margery]

Abortions probably shouldn't be done after the third month unless the mother's life is in danger, since after the first trimester the nerves and brain have developed enough to feel pain. This is one of the reasons that partial birth abortions are illegal.

Prior to that though, it is up to the woman and her medical advisors. I'm sure it's not a choice that anyone takes lightly.

 

[quatona]

I have a question for those of you who are for abortion

I´m not for abortion. Personally, right now I can´t think of a situation in which abortion would be a viable option for me, and I´d prefer it not to happen at all.

- at what point is it not okay, from conception to the actual birth? I mean, how late is too late in your opinion? Should abortions be legal for women pregnant for < 3 months? Should they be legal up to birth? I'd like to hear what you have to say. I'd like to stay away from arguments of whether or not abortion is right/legal/okay/etc. and focus on those who believe that it is okay or legal. How late in pregnancy can a woman have an abortion, in your opinion? Support your case.

As for the question of legality: I´m afraid I can´t give a supported idea of a point in time beyond which it should be illegal - it would be pretty much arbitrary. The later in time the greater the qualms I would have.

 

[brightmorningstar]

If no one is for abortion, how can anyone be pro-choice? Whats the choice abort or not abort? No prochoice is a lie it means although I dont agree with abortion I am going to do it anyway.

For me there is no question. Life cannot and does not begin before conception. Naturally life will develop after conception. So abortion is terninating life.

Just on the point of choice for the mother, the choice came with sexual intercourse and conception. With sexual intercourse and no contraception the life will likely begin. Thats the reality.

Also I note a pattern occuring across this thread, those who support pro choice also support same sex unions. My observation is that people who seem angry that Fred Phelps protests at funerals seem oblivious to others seeing them support killing through pro choice. They seem unaware that their worldview is not shared by all even when its pointed out to them.

 

[Gareth]

When is Abortion OK? Simply when the women's body rejects the foetus naturally. The trouble today is many view abortion as a get-out-of-a-situation-quickly form of birth control. The standards as contained in Scripture are very clear: No sex before Marriage. Anything else is regarded as fornication and adultery. The trouble is only made worse because of mixed signals from those in a position of responsibility who if they bite the bullet and said what they should say instead of [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] footing around as they do, would help reduce the amount of abortions that actually occur because of a lack of morals, a lack of self-awareness and a lack to take seriously the implications of their actions. Now a girl can get pregnant, take a pill or a procedure and the "problem" is gone, until the next time when the whole cycle starts all over again.

 

[Psudopod]

If no one is for abortion, how can anyone be pro-choice? Whats the choice abort or not abort? No prochoice is a lie it means although I dont agree with abortion I am going to do it anyway.

Sometimes abortion is the least worse option.

I'd love it if there were no need for abortion. But it would mean there were no prenatal medical issues, no serious medical issues that mean the quality of life of child is possible unviable, no rape, no failed contraceptive...

Not everyone is going to consider all of those situations acceptable for them to consider abortion. The point of pro-choice is it's not my decision to make.

 

[brightmorningstar]

To Psudopod,
If no one is for abortion, how can anyone be pro-choice? Whats the choice abort or not abort? No pro choice is a lie it means although I dont agree with abortion I am going to do it anyway.

Sometimes abortion is the least worse option.

Ok but that&#8217;s not really a choice is it.

Not everyone is going to consider all of those situations acceptable for them to consider abortion. The point of pro-choice is it's not my decision to make.

As to failed contraception, if it&#8217;s a failure then don&#8217;t fail a second time with abortion. That&#8217;s like saying I broke the speed limit accidentally so you must not fine me.

Now of not everyone is going to accept those situations, is everything merely up to what people decide, in which case I will break the speed limit and you need to make sure I don&#8217;t get fined.

 

[brightmorningstar]

To woden,
Spot on

 

[cantata]

The standards as contained in Scripture are very clear: No sex before Marriage. Anything else is regarded as fornication and adultery.

Married women have abortions.

 

[Psudopod]

If no one is for abortion, how can anyone be pro-choice? Whats the choice abort or not abort? No pro choice is a lie it means although I dont agree with abortion I am going to do it anyway.

Can it not mean, even though I don't agree with abortion, I'm not going to stop you doing it.

Ok but that&#8217;s not really a choice is it.

I meant that as reason why someone might have an abortion even if they did not think abortion was a good thing. The choice is whether to have it or not.

As to failed contraception, if it&#8217;s a failure then don&#8217;t fail a second time with abortion. That&#8217;s like saying I broke the speed limit accidentally so you must not fine me.

No it's not. It's like saying though I take precautions to prevent fire, one has happened so I better call the firebrigade.

Now of not everyone is going to accept those situations, is everything merely up to what people decide, in which case I will break the speed limit and you need to make sure I don&#8217;t get fined.

You're not very good at empathsising with people in different situations are you? I recognise that not everyone thinks the same way I do, or reacts in the same way. I would never consider trivialising the decision to have an abortion by comparing it to speeding.

 

[God-free]

If no one is for abortion, how can anyone be pro-choice? Whats the choice abort or not abort? No prochoice is a lie it means although I dont agree with abortion I am going to do it anyway.

No-one is for abortion... eg; "Now that I'm pregnant I can go out and get that abortion I've always wanted."

Many are pro-choice. There are several circumstances under which a woman should not be forced to carry a pregnancy to term. Rape, incest, illness... etc. While I don't think, personally, that abortion should be used as a regular form of birth control, it is legal and there will be a minority who use it for that purpose at least once.

Abortion is a very personal and sensitive issue. The decision (choice) to go through this procedure, in most cases, is not made lightly. The decision is made even more difficult when others (anti-choice advocates) are, figuratively and literally, shouting uninvited opinions at them.

For me there is no question. Life cannot and does not begin before conception.

True.

Naturally life will develop after conception. So abortion is terninating life.

That depends on at what point life begins. Some, like you, think it begins at conception. Others think it begins at various other stages.

Just on the point of choice for the mother, the choice came with sexual intercourse and conception. With sexual intercourse and no contraception the life will likely begin. Thats the reality.

Did the female have a choice to have sexual intercourse in the first place? Was the female a child? Was the female an adult of consenting age? Will a pregnancy have an adverse effect on her health? It seems, to me, you haven't bothered to think this through.

~Barbara

 

[angellica]

While I don't think, personally, that abortion should be used as a regular form of birth control, it is legal and there will be a minority who use it for that purpose at least once.


~Barbara

I know someone who has had two (that I know of) abortions. Both times, it boiled down to convenience - she didn't want a kid. When she was there, there were women getting their fifth abortion, women joking about which pain pills were better. The minority you speak of may be larger than you think..

 

[selfinflikted]

I am not "for abortion", however, I am pro-choice.

 

[levi501]

Also I note a pattern occuring across this thread, those who support pro choice also support same sex unions.

Yes, I've noticed this trend as well that rational people tend to be consistent over vaying topics.

 

[God-free]

I know someone who has had two (that I know of) abortions. Both times, it boiled down to convenience - she didn't want a kid. When she was there, there were women getting their fifth abortion, women joking about which pain pills were better. The minority you speak of may be larger than you think..

Perhaps it is. I don't know the statistics.

~Barbara

 

[Psudopod]

I know someone who has had two (that I know of) abortions. Both times, it boiled down to convenience - she didn't want a kid.

I think you're trying to make that a bit simpler that it really is. Not wanting a kid doesn't make abortion a matter of convienece. It's much more convient to be on the pill. Not wanting kids isn't a bad thing, recognising that you cannot currently raise a child should be respected.

there were women getting their fifth abortion, women joking about which pain pills were better.

I've noticed after every tragedy, it doesn't take long for the jokes to come out. Humour is a coping mechanism for some people. It may seem heartless from the outside, but don't necessarily assume it happens because people are callous.