when even pastors make mistakes... please read

[endure]

i have recently learned something i never really understood untill now.

and that is that His purpose is more important than our perfection.

i never really understood how a preacher could stand up and misquote a verse and use it out of context and be very wrong about what hes teaching, yet hes still used of God, annointed and hes still used by God to do great things for the kingdom...it baffled me.

My pastor is a great man of God, he has won more to Christ that most people ever will, God has allowed my pastor to become one of the worlds most well known pastors and preachers, at times our television show is the most watched show on the biggest christian tv network in the world.
if i mentioned his name or the name of our television show some of you may know it. but it doesnt matter.

the point is, God has given us great GRACE! to do mighty things for God and be a voice to literally millions of people and see so many many people come to God.

yet, there are times, when i am pretty sure my pastor isnt always exactly biblically correct, and he may say a few things that im pretty sure arent true, hes just not perfect.
and actually tonight at my church, a man preached and i know full well something he preached in his message was not the truth. yet he did minister a word that was great and we needed it. overall he was right and God did a work.

and i believe God is beggining to show me that God will use even an unperfect vessel for his purpose if it will yeild to God and can be used.

lately God convicted me of a great great sin, and that is of PRIDE.
i never new that beyond the seen part of me, i was overflowing with pride and arrogance and i didnt even know it.
but God showed me and it broke me down so badly, i wept and cried and even commited to not preach again untill i had fixed it and was clean.

but my mentor said "just make sure you dont neglect the gift in you"
and i realised then, and few days later, when God showed me...

THAT HIS PURPOSE, IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN MY PERFECTION.

now i know that i must preach, i must go and minister in the amount of ability and anointing that i have, and i cant neglect the calling of God the people of God and the gift of God, just to take a year or 2 off to perfect myself, so that i can stand have this perfect thing to present to the people.

and i am truely humbled and encouraged...
that the reason my pastor isnt always right, and some of my greatest mentors arent always right, and some of the greatest men of God from past werent always right, but still used of God, and why i must still preach the gospel...
is that his purpose is more important than my perfection.

it really shows me why i shouldnt cast away a man, or his overall message just becuase he had one biblical inaccuracy, or becuase i could tell he didnt have it all together.

and its really showing me that its really not about us, its all about him...

well i hope someone gained wisdom or was encouraged or was blessed in someway by this message.

Lee Myers.

 

[Rocki]

everyone makes mistakes... even pastors.. one thing i like about my pastor is that everytime he makes a mistake.. you askes the church for forgiveness... whether its a misquote or mis-interpritation or even pride... he has the guts to stand infront of the church and ask for forgiveness.

 

[ukok]

i am encouraged indeed by the realisation that you have had unreasonable expectations of those who have been in error in some way, or those that you have 'considered' to be in error in some way. You are right to say that Gods will is more important than our own. He doesn't dismiss us for our error, and yet has every right to do so.


Isn't it wonderful when God convicts us ? this allows us the opportunity for change, and through this we can evolve into more Christ- centred people, though we often have harsh lessons to learn.

 

[endure]

rocki

yeah i know, i just didnt want to make mistakes becuase i wanted to hold up perfection and put my name on it, was all. and i looked down on people who werent where i was going, or thought i was going.

but it aint about me...its all about him.

God is really dealing with me lately, hes making walk around like im nobody...
guess just being who i a really am feels so very strange.

ukok
yes, i am coming to where i love his conviction almost as much as his approval, becuase i have learned that he doesnt show me my sin to crush my desire to be righteous, but rather to make me righteous.

 

[Godsgrace]

endure - GLYASDI

I really enjoyed reading your post. For myself, in reading the responses; I can not put "mistake" and "sin - conviction" in the same category. If I have read the posts since your first one correctly.


A blessed day to you and all.

Janice

 

[DaveKerwin]

I don't put up with false doctrine. Be careful what you allow yourself to accept.

 

[The Midge]

Good OP endure.

 

[chriso]

No human is perfect, even Pastors & Preachers make mistakes. We should always back up what is preached to us with the Scriptures.

 

[endure]

GodsGrace

no i dont put them together either, i have never seen my pastor sin, though if he does so what, i do too, so what can i say? ya know?
but yes i agree, thanks for reading and responding.

davekerwin

i dont like it either, but it isnt always the time and place to do something about it. the fact that im sure im biblically incorrect on something atleast becuase i am finding mistakes in myself and my beliefes every new day keeps me humble and my mouth shut. i constantly in change, and i know they are too, so who am i do something, God is working, how i can i better it?
and it is often something that is real, but it isnt something that is very important to whats going on, the fact that God uses imperfect vessels means i have to have the mind of Christ and have compassion on them as well.
you have to have a sight that sees the BIG picture, and then you understand why God allows little mistakes to happen, becuase in the BIG picture, God is using it for our good. i can look back on my life and what ministry i have, and can see myself making many mistakes and saying things that where slightly off biblically, but the overall message did help people, and God still used me.

but im all for the truth too, but standing for truth and change has to be done in order and wisdom. the bible says to never rebuke an elder.
you humble yourself, say "yes sir, yes pastor" and leave that ministry if neccesary and go on with your life, but you must respect authority in the kingdom.
i know of people who stood up and spoke out and even criticised authorities and the dignitaries in the kingdom, and becuase of it they are fruitless.
its not my place to do something about it, pray about it, God will deal with them, but its not my or your place to correct our authorities.

migde
thankyou.

chriso
yes i agree.
thankyou for reading and your input.

thanks everyone.

 

[DaveKerwin]

what does he teach that you disagree with

 

[endure]

just petty things, not important things.
and its actually very rare.
Ive seen God do so much in my church and move in so many miraculous ways, he is very in control, if he sees a problem that needs to be dealt with, he will.

but for example,
i dont believe that God knows EVERYTHING, and most people do, and my pastor probly does too. though i dont believe thats true becuase of many scriptures that ive found through hours of bible study on that one issue.

but the diffrence between
"No God doesnt know your whether your going to go to heavon or hell or sin or not sin all ahead of time"
and
"yes he does know all that"
isnt really important except in bible college and even then not so much in direct application to our spiritual fruitful lives.
(please, which ever you beleive, id rather not debate it unless you insist, somewhere else, if i think its for a good reason)
but that isnt something that is going to determine someones salvation or destruction.
i know people who believe one way and know the Lord better than me, and people who beleive diffrent and know the Lord better than me.
not everything matters, and if it really does, ill pray about it.
becuase the bible says the heart of the King is in the hand of the Lord.

 

[Godsgrace]

No debating - just a thought. I realy would like to hear where you have found in scripture that GOD does not know everything. And in the scripture is it not so much that HE does not know everything but infact HE does and being The FATHER that HE is and that it is not up to HIM to make things happen for us doesn't mean HE does not know. More important HE wants it to be our decission. He will not stand in the way of HIS children learning. And HE does not have to give all of the answers. In the Bible OT - HE gave instruction and they (man) wandered through the wilderness seeking HIS help/answers. They had to learn. We have to learn

 

[DaveKerwin]

endure, you are right, that is a non-issue.

If your pastor was saying that salvation is not by faith, or maybe that his church is the only church, then you would have an issue to deal with. But from what you said, I would not sweat it.

From the sound of it, I do agree with him about God knowing all, in case you want to know. If you want to discuss that, feel free to PM me.

God bless your church home!

 

[endure]

Godsgrace
if you really want to share with me about it. PM me.
i really cant stand debating anymore.
but thankyou for your replies, and im sorry i havent replied to your recent PM i will tonight i think.

davekerwin
how would i deal with such a thing?
its not really my place to deal with these things directly. if i have a chance to stand and share then sure. but its not my place to confront my elders and fathers in the church.

there is a thing called spiritual adolescense.
just becuase i know a detail that my pastor doesnt seem to know, does not mean much. and it does not give me the right to stand on his level or beleive i am on his level or confront him.
i may know something he doesnt know, but i have by no means been through what hes been through with the Lord and earned a place of respect. i am young and intelligent, but he is old and wise and knows more about God and life than i do by far, even if i can prove that he is wrong about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, or prove to him that he is wrong about dispensationalism, or variace biblical issues.

and really if something like your examples came to be. i really dont know how id deal with it, besides just leave the church and pray about it.
im not going to stand up and say anything becuase im not going to cause confusion, and division.
what do you think?

but anyway, back to the point of this message,
i am humbled to see many faults in myself, and even faults in my fathers sometimes, becuase it goes to show that it isnt about us, but its about the Lord and he sees the purpose as more important than our perfection.

and about how much God knows...
id rather not bother with it, i know why i beleive this way and it doesnt seem to matter a whole lot really, not beyond simply being right or wrong.