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When does human personhood begin?

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surrendersacrifice

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Our humanity is determined by the human life we possess; and not by our shape, size, color, appearance or abilities. This is very evident by the fact that irrespective of who we are; when we die our body becomes a mere corpse. Human life is a human life-force within every living human being. This force forms, directs and sustains our state as a live human being. It does this by directing and coordinating our thoughts, words, actions and physiology. It is, therefore, the life of our whole being and the soul of our humanity. Therefore, for our body to be a human person we must have human life. We received this life at conception, when we were in our embryonic stage of life. Although we were just an embryo then, we were still a human being; because we were a distinct living entity with human genes and human life. The distinctiveness of the life of an embryo is evident by the fact it has genetic make up that is totally different from the mother; and it can survive in a test tube out side the mother. Furthermore, the life we have today is the same life we had as an embryo. This life, which began when we were conceived, continued without any interruption as we went through successive stages of development. Therefore, since we are a human person today, we were also a human person as an embryo.

An unfertilized ovum will remain only an ovum (just like any other cell in our body) until it dies. However, if it is fertilized (which occurs at conception) human life-force enters the cell; which immediately lays the framework for the entire life of that human being. This means that the newly formed embryo has the foundation of a fully formed human being. Furthermore, the life-force initiates, directs and sustains a process that transforms that being from a single cell embryo to a full grown human being with 10 trillion cells; brain with memory capacity equal to 20,000 computers; and abilities to love, forgive, create, perform and think. This life-force, therefore, is not just the life of that cell, but the life of the entire humanity of that being. Since this life entered our being at conception, we became a human person at conception; and human embryos and fetuses are human persons. Furthermore, the declaration of independence of the United States, states that we are all created equal. Since, the time of our creation is at conception; we have equal rights from the moment of our conception. To destroy a human embryo or fetus, therefore, is to kill a human being and violate the fourteenth amendment.

If one had to build a highly complex space station and keep it operational, it would not happen by simply possessing the blue print and building material; one would need a highly skilled work force. Similarly, to build a fully grown highly intelligent human being and keep him/her operational a highly intelligent life-force is needed; because the mere possession of the genetic codes and building materials are not enough. We can get a faint idea about what human life-force is if we look at ant life-force. Ants do not have brain. They, therefore, can not think, plan or learn. Yet ants are able build complex castles under the ground; find the right type of food; and inform other ants (by releasing chemicals) of the presence of food. They can perform these tasks because the life-force (which some people call as instinct) in them, propels them to perform these tasks.

Some people may argue that it is acceptable to destroy a human embryo because it does not have brain or intelligence. However, the human life-force within a human embryo has more intelligence than the most intelligent human brain. This is evident by the fact that, this life-force can transform a single cell embryo into full grown human being with a very complex brain; a fete no human brain has achieved.

Some people may have an honest doubt about human personhood of embryos and fetuses. However, they must err in favor of them beings human persons; just as we always err in favor of an accused person being innocent of a crime until proven otherwise. It is also similar to a situation where we are on a hunting trip; and are ready to shoot an object we are sure is a deer. However, we hold our fire, because some people around us express concern, that, what we are about to shoot could be a human being.

Some people justify abortion because they want to protect the mother’s right to privacy and choice. However, no one has right over another human being’s life; and to kill another human being is never a choice. Furthermore, the right to life is above all other rights; because without life we do not have any rights.

During the time, when we had slavery in this country, people felt very strong on both sides of the issue. However, people of good will knew that slavery was evil. They, therefore, did not just talk about taking a middle-ground or reducing the number of slaves; they completely abolished it. Abortion or destruction of human beings in their embryonic stage of life is even more evil than slavery and worst crime against humanity, because in both these situations the most helpless human beings are killed. We, therefore, must abolish this practice; and can not just take a middle-ground on this issue.

Some people justify abortion when the mother’s life is in danger. However, since the mother and baby both have equal rights, attempts must be made to save them both. If there is eminent danger to the mother, then the baby, who is in the mother’s womb, is also in danger. Therefore, labor could be induced to save them both. In case of rape and incest it would still be wrong to kill the baby, because the baby is an innocent human being.

Over two hundred years ago we began a new nation by declaring that all men are created equal; but now from that beginning we have run down to the other declaration, that it is acceptable for mothers to have their babies killed in the womb and make human beings in their embryonic stage a commodity by killing them and harvesting their body parts, in "sacred rights of choice, privacy and cure." Our republican robe is soiled and trailed in the dust. Let us re-purify it. ... Let us re-adopt the Declaration of Independence, and with it, the practices, and policy, which harmonize with it. ... If we do this, we shall not only have saved the Union: but we shall have saved it, as to make, and keep it, forever worthy of the saving. (Adopted from Lincoln's Peoria speech, October 1855).
 

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Just some facts*:

fact 1: a large portion of all fertilized eggs will never result in birth, even without outside intervention. (I remembered something like ~50% never even reaching noticable pregnancies, and wikipedia mentions 25% of all noticable (via extremely sensitive tests) pregnancies ending in miscarriage, but I will have to look that up)

fact 2: if you take this "unique" human being of say 2 cells, and seperate the cells from each other, the end-result will be 2 humans. (one-egged-twin). I actually don't know if this process could in theory be repeated (e.g., create 4-8-16 babies from a single fertilized egg), but I also don't know of any reason why that shouldn't be possible.

(*going from memory here, no time to check out the scientific literature... but be my guest!)

Just 2 things to take into account when saying things like "a fertilized egg is an unique human being with the full rights of every other human".

Scenario: you take an embryo in the 2-cell stage, split it apart (thus creating the possibility of a twin), and then destroy 1 of the cells. In 'scientific' terms you just disconnected 2 cells, and destroyed one of them.

But in the "each seperate embryo is an unique human being"-view, what did you do? Did you create and then kill a human being? Is this morally objectionable? Even though the end-result of not doing anything at all, and doing this entire procedure would be the same (namely, getting 1 living child)? If it's not morally objectionable, why does the one single-celled embryo have more rights than another single celled embryo?

If it's really a case of "well, both created embryos in this case have the same genetic make-up, so it's ok to kill 1 of the cells", how far does that go? If someone has been pregnant of a one-egged-twin for 7 months, is it ok to kill one of the fetuses?

(again, just some things to indicate that the situation is a bit more complicated than "oh it's a cell with a unique genetic make-up, so it should have the rights of a 'full' human)
 
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from the OP:

However, if it is fertilized (which occurs at conception) human life-force enters the cell; which immediately lays the framework for the entire life of that human being. This means that the newly formed embryo has the foundation of a fully formed human being. Furthermore, the life-force initiates, directs and sustains a process that transforms that being from a single cell embryo to a full grown human being with 10 trillion cells; brain with memory capacity equal to 20,000 computers; and abilities to love, forgive, create, perform and think.

The point at which sperm enters ovum is conception - they aren't two different events.

Both sperm and ovum were alive long before they 'met'. If there were such a thing as 'human life force', it seems highly likely that the sperm itself, and the ovum, itself, would be possessed of this 'human life force', as both are bits of actual humans.

How does this 'human life force' "immediately lay(s) the framework for the entire life of that human being"? You are postulating the existence of something that initiates predestination, which most Christians don't even believe in.

Foetal development or post birth development has nothing to do with some mysterious 'life force, whatever that is meant to be. Biological processes see to prenatal development, biological and environmental processes to postnatal development.
 
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Some people justify abortion when the mother’s life is in danger. However, since the mother and baby both have equal rights, attempts must be made to save them both.

You obviously know nothing about medicine. Anytime a pregnant woman has a medical illness complicating pregnancy, every effort IS made to treat the mother and save the pregnancy. But in the real world, it's not always so easy. I work in health care. I've seen a 6 week pregnant woman have a serious myocardial infarction and develop congestive heart failure. There was a real question as to whether continuing the pregnancy (which increases the work load on a woman's heart) would lead to further heart damage. Not to mention that some of the drugs needed to treat her condition could be toxic to the fetus. Even an experienced cardiologist, who specialized in heart disease in pregnancy, advised her to terminate this pregnancy in order to give her heart a rest. I've seen a woman in early pregnancy diagnosed with Hodgkin's Disease. You can imagine what the radiation and/or chemotherapy she would need could do to a developing fetus. Or, she could forgo treatment until the fetus could be safely delivered, and then start cancer treatment. But even a few months delay could impair her chances for remission. There is often no good or easy answer. You know, if an ill pregnant woman terminates, and recovers from her illness, she can possibly get pregnant again. But if she dies before delivery, then two lives have been lost forever. Though in any event, the decision about what to do belongs to the pregnant woman, and her family, and her doctors. And not to you, or me, and certainly not to the state.

If there is eminent danger to the mother, then the baby, who is in the mother’s womb, is also in danger. Therefore, labor could be induced to save them both.

What would you do about an ectopic pregnancy?


In case of rape and incest it would still be wrong to kill the baby, because the baby is an innocent human being.

You're entitled to your opinion. But our laws must reflect a broad consensus of the people. If the people of South Dakota (hardly a hotbed of liberalism) are at all representative of the country as a whole, the voters don't want most abortions criminalized.
 
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Human life begins at conception.

that's an obvious statement. all life does begin at conception, However this does not mean that what is created after the very moment of conception is a human life. at some point it will be...
 
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Human life begins at conception.

The question is never "When does life begin?" but "at what stage do we say the life is granted personhood (or rights) afforded to other?"

As stated, not everybody can agree on this answer. In some religious practices, birth must take place (or the child must draw first breath) in order to be considered a person in the same sense as you or I. Understandably, this throws a monkey wrench into the abortion debate.
 
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My opinion is that a baby is a human life if it can live outside the mother. if it cant, well yeah its apart of the mother and the mother has full rights.

Also people say that a couple of cells in the mother is a human life and an individual. well why cant this individual EVER remember life inside the womb?

I wasn't any more "me" as a fetus then my skin cells that die are "me". Even if someone was to cut cut off my arm, That arm would not be "me" and i would still be "me" although slightly mutilated. What makes "me", "me" is a mixing of biology and memories and the ability to have experiences.

a early fetus has no memory or the ability to properly experience as a human so its really a bunch of cells. It has the potential to become a living human individual. but its not one yet.
 
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personhood doesnt start until you're 21.

a 21 year old has more rights then a 18 year old
a 18 year old has more rights then a 16 year old
a 16 year old has more rights then a 10 year old
a 10 year old has more rights then a fetus.
 
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my view is also that because the fetus is connected via cord to the mother, its still a physical part of the mother, and the mother has rights to her body.

after that connection is severed, well its no longer a physical part of the mother and so she doesn't have the same rights over it as she once did.
 
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