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Yes, it is.
Yes, Jesus is talking to the Jews.
But notice that this sin was also possible to commit in the world to come, as well.
“And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.” (Matthew 12:32).
In Matthew 12:32: The “whosoever” is in context to the believer who has tasted of God’s Spirit because it says that this sin can be committed in the “world to come.” The “world to come” is the Millennium or the 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ. Everyone will all start out be a Spirit filled believer because Christ will be living and reigning in this time period. So only the Spirit filled Christian who seeks to turn away from God and who speaks bad words against the Spirit will never be forgiven.
Jesus says to the Pharisees:
“Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.” (Matthew 12:33).
If these Pharisees were forever condemned by their committing the unforgivable sin here, then why is Jesus telling them to make the tree good and his fruit good? This means that there is still hope for these Pharisees because they said what they did in ignorance like Paul’s actions were done in ignorance before encountering Jesus and His grace.
Jesus says,
“But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:” (Mark 3:29).
“Danger” is the keyword here to focus on here. If you are in danger, you have a chance to change your course, and be safe and out of danger. If you get a warning of danger by seeing a shark fin in the water, you would swim as fast as you can to safety. If you were in a burning building, you would be in danger of being burned up, unless you got out and or you called the fire department to rescue you. Danger means you are seriously close to a bad thing happening but it does not mean that bad has already happened to you. When we experience “danger” we are receiving a warning or sign that we are very close to disaster, harm, or destruction.
“Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God. And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven. And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say: For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.” (Luke 12:8-12).
In Luke 12:8-12: It starts out talking to the believer and it ends with talking to the Spirit filled believer (for the passage ends saying that the Holy Ghost shall teach you what you ought to say); Yet, in the middle of this conversation, it refers to how blasphemy against the Spirit can never be forgiven. This implies that only the Christian who tasted of the Spirit can only speak bad words towards the Spirit and it is not referring to the unbeliever here. For obviously if we denied God as an atheist before coming to the faith, that does not mean we cannot accept Jesus later on, and be forgiven. So the blasphemy of the Spirit is only possible for a Christian who had tasted of the Spirit (Especiallly when we look at the whole counsel of God’s Word).
Yes, I get it. Most believers are going to hell one way or another. That sums up just about every post you make. Which I've gotten tired of, so I'm not going to read them any longer.
Even more definitive, and unequivocal:Matthew 6:15 makes it clear that if we don't forgive, we will not be forgiven by the Father. I cannot imagine being saved and yet also not being forgiven by the Father. Not being forgiven by the Father implies one is not saved.
I am understanding the text in the light of the whole counsel of God, e.g., Luke 8:13 and 1 John 2:19.No. Hebrews 3 says, “Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.” (Hebrews 3:12).
The author of Hebrews mentions nothing to those he is writing to here about how they had a false profession of faith here.
That is you adding that to the text here.
I am understanding the text in the light of the whole counsel of God, e.g., Luke 8:13 and 1 John 2:19.
The writer of Hebrews is no position to know their heart, if their faith is profession only. That knowledge belongs to God.
Even more definitive, and unequivocal:
Matthew 18:
33 Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’
34 And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was
due to him.
35 So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.
I am understanding the text in the light of the whole counsel of God, e.g., Luke 8:13 and 1 John 2:19.
The writer of Hebrews is no position to know their heart, if their faith is profession only. That knowledge belongs to God.
Will some sins get you there faster than others? If so, which ones? How many times do you sin, confess, sin, confess, sin, confess, etc., before you wake up and realize you're simply nothing more than a hypocrite/apostate?
Non-responsive. . .the issue is profession vs. possession.In regards to 1 John 2:19:
See my Post #73 on a large number of list of verses on how believers can fall away.
I am understanding the text in the light of the whole counsel of God, e.g., Luke 8:13 and 1 John 2:19.
The writer of Hebrews is no position to know their heart, if their faith is profession only. That knowledge belongs to God.
So you don't believe in Perseverance of the Saints?
Again, the point of the verses I brought forth is to show that we are not going to just automatically obey, but we need to do our part in order for God to continue to move in our life. God is not going to force us to be a certain way. Yet, that is what Perseverance of the Saints implies. It implies it is all God forcing a person to be a certain way when that is not what the Bible teaches.
Side Note:
As for the topic of this thread:
I believe our discussion here relates to the topic of the thread.
Non-responsive. . .the issue is profession vs. possession.
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So, you do believe, after all, that God's determining to whom he will show mercy, is irrevocable!.Yay! Welcome aboard!I would add... We cannot undo, by an act of our own will, what only God can do in the first place.
When you no longer have remorse, and when you no longer believe in the basics of the Christian faith.Will some sins get you there faster than others? If so, which ones? How many times do you sin, confess, sin, confess, sin, confess, etc., before you wake up and realize you're simply nothing more than a hypocrite/apostate?
How can you possibly get this, out of what I said?!
You said:This is really getting old. Over and over I and others have repeated to you that there's no point in you tearing down your own strawman. I do not, and Reformed Theology does not, say that obedience is automatic.
You said:Oh, great! Then tie it in! Go ahead and show how your strawman relates to the OP!
Where in any context does it say, "God is sovereign"?That is a quick and dismissive way to deal with the verses that you did not even look at. Hebrews 3:12 says you can depart from the living GOD.
Where in the context does it talk about a mere profession of faith in God only and that this is what we are warned not to depart from?
Where in any context does it say, "God is sovereign"?
The whole counsel of God is not in Heb 3:12.
I really have no more to say. I stand by what I've said and I believe the scripture supports it - and is very simple. I don't understand why you are trying to read it so differently from what it plainly says. If X, then Y. And likewise, if not X, then not Y. That's it.Read 1 John 2:9 carefully.
It says he that says he is in the light and yet hates his brother is in darkness.
This relates to keeping His commands (1 John 3:23). 1 John 2:4 says a similar thing. It basically says that the person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commandments, they are a liar, and the truth is not in them.
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