When did evolution begin?

ViaCrucis · Jul 22, 2015

justlookinla said:
You're going to have to explain that one.

When I pointed out that man being created in God's image has nothing to do with whether or not we are animals I was informed that this was a Christian website. I took that to mean that I could take any biblical principle or teaching and make any wild assertion I wanted and it was justified.

Equating humanity with other animals, when it's far beyond those creations, is an attempt to view it as just another life form. It's not

From a scientific view we are just another life form. Science is not under any compulsion to accept the faith claims of any religion. So the Christian belief in man being made in the Divine Image has nothing to do with science; that is a theological position, not a scientific one. Science doesn't deal with theology.

Science =/= theology.

When I confess the Apostles' Creed I'm not making a scientific statement. When I say, 'he descended into the depths. On the third day he rose again; he ascended into heaven, he is seated at the right hand of the Father, and he will come to judge the living and the dead." I'm not talking science. These are things, theological things, religious things, I believe by faith.

It makes us unique, not just another animal.

From a theological perspective no we are not just another animal. But we are, scientifically and objectively, animals. That doesn't go away. And the Image of God doesn't change whether we are animals or not, that is a completely irrelevant issue to the question of if we are animals or not animals.

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ViaCrucis · Jul 22, 2015

Oncedeceived said:
Everything according to Genesis 1 states that kinds came before the kinds being discussed excluding man. Nothing came before man in the Narrative.

Pardon? I have no idea what you're saying here.

Are you suggesting that there were "kinds" of vegetation before God made the "kinds" of vegetation? Because the text doesn't say that. Man was created in situ by divine fiat in the Genesis text in the same way that every other thing was made. There is no indication that there were beasts or creepy-crawly things before God declared there to be beasts and creepy-crawly things on the sixth day. So man is not fundamentally different in the text insofar as man is the result of God's declaration and word.

Nothing came before man in the narrative? You mean everything came before man in the narrative right? Man was the last thing God created in Genesis 1.

You'll need to explain what it is you mean here. And why on earth it has anything to do with the question of whether human beings are animals or not.

-CryptoLutheran

OldWiseGuy · Jul 22, 2015

jeanetteflint said:
Here's some other interesting stuff from Bill Nye - a little off topic, but it was part of the evolution debate he had with Ken Hamm

He does say some goofy things.

OldWiseGuy · Jul 22, 2015

HolyisourGod said:
Bill Nye said himself he's not a scientist, but a mechanical engineer. So why bother being bothered by him and his nonsense?

Doesn't he call himself "Bill Nye, the Science guy"?

Brownstoned · Jul 22, 2015

I would say evolution does not exist, but devolution does. People do not live as long as those in the beginning. The world is certainly more dangerous and worse off than pre-fall.
One person I listen to, and have mentioned a few times on this website, is Chuck Missler. He uses basic science to prove that the universe is degrading. Entropy laws for example. Even the speed of light is measured as slowing down. I believe the bible speaks of this somewhere.
Cool link to this:
https://www.khouse.org/articles/1995/58/

OldWiseGuy · Jul 22, 2015

bhsmte said:
It would be nice, if this same God would do some healing with the 9 million children who die each year before the age of five.

Do 9 million children of Christian parents die each year before age five?

It is possible though. As most of the growth of the church is occurring in underdeveloped nations those new converts are still captives of centuries-old destructive cultural practices, which include poor sanitation, dangerous foods, and other harmful practices.

OldWiseGuy · Jul 22, 2015

Jan Volkes said:
But a magic man in the sky is logical to you and it adds up? really?

Actually his throne is in space somewhere above the earth, in the northern quadrant (literally "the sides of the north"). As earth is his "footstool" he is looking at it from about a 45 degree downward angle, and far enough away to view the entire globe comfortably.

OliviaMay · Jul 22, 2015

Aman777 said:
I'm Ben West but my original SN is Aman777. The problem with observing only the life on Planet Earth is that you will NEVER find the origin of Humans here. That's because Adam, the FIRST Human lived on an entirely different Earth which was made long BEFORE the present Earth was made. Gen 1:9-10

When Adam's firmament/heaven was totally destroyed in the Flood, Noah appeared in our world in the mountains of Ararat in Lake Van, Turkey some 10k years ago. History agrees and the area in the valleys just SW of Lake Van is called the Cradle of Human Civilization on this Earth. The ENTIRE History of Human civilization can be traced to the arrival of the first Humans (descendants of Adam) on the Ark.

This means that the ToE is totally wrong since it Attempts to show that Humans evolved from the common ancestor of Apes on this Earth. The only way that could have happened was by Magic because Adam was made long before ANY other living creature and Billions of years, in man's time, BEFORE the common ancestor of Apes lived. Gen 2:4-7 Amen?

There were people living in China, Africa, and North America 10,000 years ago. All of different races and cultures. That can't be possible.

Subduction Zone · Jul 23, 2015

justlookinla said:
Ben...please don't be suckered into SZ's offer of 'understanding'. Trust me.

Yes, it is beyond justlookinla's limited abilities. You may fare better.

Actually justlookinla may be bright enough to understand, but most creationists won't let themselves understand.

Subduction Zone · Jul 23, 2015

OldWiseGuy said:
He does say some goofy things.

Since he was taking about Noah's Ark of course he said some "goofy things". That story was so ridiculous that it was refuted long before the theory of evolution came along.

As I was saying · Jul 23, 2015

OldWiseGuy said:
Bill Nye "The Science Guy" assures us that the particular fossils found in the successive layers of sediments, wherever they are found around the earth, do not appear in the previous or later sediment layers. If this is true none of those particular life forms, unique only to those sediment layers, evolved at all, but were destroyed when that period ended.

So, if evolution did occur to those species it must have occurred during the very brief period between those time frames, for which there is no fossil evidence. And the change would have been quite drastic.

Or, if evolution did occur during the forming of those layers the evolved species within all perished when that period abruptly ended, thus interrupting the whole evolutionary process.

So, if everything perished in the previous layer, what was left to evolve in succeeding layers?

The only thing that was left to evolve was the fairy stories of atheists.

Jan Volkes · Jul 23, 2015

Jan Volkes said:
Would you say that education was the key brinny? had you been better educated do you think you could have found life a little easier? do you think you could have understood the ToE?

brinny said:
No. It's not logical to me. It doesn't add up.

But to each his own.

Jan Volkes said:
But a magic man in the sky is logical to you and it adds up? really?

brinny said:
Interesting take on what i posted. However you are entitled to your views whether they have anything to do with what i said or not.

Is the theory of evolution logical to you or not?

As I was saying · Jul 23, 2015

essentialsaltes said:
Where did he assure us of this? He may have said something similar, but as you've presented it, it seems a bit careless.

Everything did not perish. Problem solved.

And your evidence is...?

As I was saying · Jul 23, 2015

pgp_protector said:
When did evolution begin?
When life started reproducing.

Except that wasn't evolution. That was producing after your own kind.

As I was saying · Jul 23, 2015

Armoured said:
Evolution began the instant the first self replicating chemicals got complex enough that they could have an error in the replication and still be viable.

And when did they get complex enough?

As I was saying · Jul 23, 2015

Armoured said:
Before "life". Evolution was present long before in simple self reproducing chemicals.

See also, Spiegelman's Monster.

and your evidence is...?

Jan Volkes · Jul 23, 2015

As I was saying said:
The only thing that was left to evolve was the fairy stories of atheists.

Not only atheists but Christians accept as well, only creationists need to deny evolution, they know it's true but they must deny it for the sake of their preferred belief.

As I was saying · Jul 23, 2015

AphroditeGoneAwry said:
Evolution began when God created life.

The only contention a Christian or monotheist needs to have with evolution is that man evolved from animals. Animals evolve. Man evolves.

Easy peasy.

How did evolution begin when God created life. Give us some examples.

Jan Volkes · Jul 23, 2015

As I was saying said:
And when did they get complex enough?

As soon as your god gave them the OK?

As I was saying · Jul 23, 2015

Jan Volkes said:
Not only atheists but Christians accept as well, only creationists need to deny evolution, they know it's true but they must deny it for the sake of their preferred belief.

I have never believed that evolution is true. In fact the more I read the more evolution unravels as a figment of man's imagination to get God out of the picture.

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