Robert Palase
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You would not be debating creationism you would simply be telling everyone what your belief is, creationism is a belief that Genesis is true so is all faith and no evidence.
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You would not be debating creationism you would simply be telling everyone what your belief is, creationism is a belief that Genesis is true so is all faith and no evidence.If you think you'd like to debate me on the issue of creationism, you just bring all the science you can carry,* and I'll bring one page of the Bible ... just one page ... and we'll see whose loss will be apparent immediately.
I'd also be telling everyone that evolution is wrong.You would not be debating creationism you would simply be telling everyone what your belief is, creationism is a belief that Genesis is true so is all faith and no evidence.
I will tell you what would change,my,mind. Actual proof that something was turning into something else. Take any creature you like and watch it evolve into something else and I will believe. I promise.
Please don't insult me.
Actually all of it supports creation. Because God made everything according to its kind. What do we have and always have had on this planet? All kinds of living creatures. Myriads of them, Fossils proving different kinds of creatures. Most all of them with similarities to one another which speaks of common design. Yet all different than one another.
Evolutions nature of evidence...
...is only good upon interpretation of the evidence. Evolutionists believe in evolution and their interpretation of what they find is based upon that belief system.
And yes science does use proofs. You can prove gravity. You can prove the earth is spinning. You can prove that water boils at a certain temperature. You can my identity by my DNA. All this because you can actually show it in action.
We're not to the point of supporting it yet. You see, you have two issues:It's nice to make claims...reasonably good....as you put it. But, supporting it. Not so good. Your science is based upon what you think. Feel, believe.
I'm sure they believed that God created the universe, just like you and I do.Ya ... silly me.
I keep forgetting that Adam and Abraham and David and Solomon and Isaiah and Habakkuk all thought the universe was 13.7 billion years old, due to cosmic evolution.
Because I used consol's own words in it?
You mean like the 1925 Scope's[sic] Monkey Trial?
You mean "voted wrong"? such as the Ham vs Nye debate?
If you think you'd like to debate me on the issue of creationism, you just bring all the science you can carry,* and I'll bring one page of the Bible ... just one page ... and we'll see whose loss will be apparent immediately.
* Technically, a talent is the equivalent of something one man can carry. So bring your talent of science, and I'll bring the first page of the Bible.
You can tell people whatever you like but if you have nothing to back up what you say all you are doing is making a noise,I'd also be telling everyone that evolution is wrong.
Your talking about the self correcting mechanism which I talk about all the time. When you have an error: in this case even a virus is able to correct that error. We know that slight variation can cause considerable change. This is seen in the butterfly effect. Yet there are always going to be boundaries. Even when there is variation. Here is the variation of the effect with just two hinges (factors).Yes it does. We have evidence from the lab:
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0000096
Short summary: in a virus scientists removed the gene that codes for the protein that infects other cells and replaced it by a random sequence. Over 20 genereations they saw a gradual increase in infectivity. This means the virus developped gradually a better protein for infecting host cells, and hence the DNA code "wrote itself".
Only when you hijack the dictionary and corrupt the meaning of the English Language.Creationists are almost always wrong.
Only when you hijack the dictionary and corrupt the meaning of the English Language.
You just did. There are MANY different theories for Creation. Even as far as I am concerned Theistic Evolution is Creationism. It is fine if you want to say that YEC: Young Earth Creationism is wrong if you can defend your belief. But to point blank say that Creationism is wrong then you are going to prove many theories including Evolution to be wrong. Your going to have to shoot yourself in the foot to accomplish your purpose. In addition to YEC there is GAP, Day Age Theory and on and on and on. Muslims are Creationists, Hebrews are Creationists.I have never done such a thing.
The term "creationist" is often carelessly used in forums like this. To be completely correct it refers to anyone who believes that the universe and/or what it contains was created by a divinity/divinities.You just did. There are MANY different theories for Creation. Even as far as I am concerned Theistic Evolution is Creationism. It is fine if you want to say that YEC: Young Earth Creationism is wrong if you can defend your belief. But to point blank say that Creationism is wrong then you are going to prove many theories including Evolution to be wrong. Your going to have to shoot yourself in the foot to accomplish your purpose. In addition to YEC there is GAP, Day Age Theory and on and on and on. Muslims are Creationists, Hebrews are Creationists.
You just did. There are MANY different theories for Creation. Even as far as I am concerned Theistic Evolution is Creationism. It is fine if you want to say that YEC: Young Earth Creationism is wrong if you can defend your belief. But to point blank say that Creationism is wrong then you are going to prove many theories including Evolution to be wrong. Your going to have to shoot yourself in the foot to accomplish your purpose. In addition to YEC there is GAP, Day Age Theory and on and on and on. Muslims are Creationists, Hebrews are Creationists.
You are misusing a word and when I call you on it you try to blame me for what you are doing.And you are misusing a word.
The term "creationist" is often carelessly used in forums like this. To be completely correct it refers to anyone who believes that the universe and/or what it contains was created by a divinity/divinities.
In practice, it frequently comes to refer only to conservative Evangelical Protestant young Earth creationists, since the forum participants often side up to YECs versus everybody else, theistic evolutionists, day-agers, atheists, agnostics and what-have-you all together. The YECs think we are all really atheists, anyway.
You are misusing a word and when I call you on it you try to blame me for what you are doing.
If that were true they would have shut this board down a long time ago and there would be an end to this discussion and the debate. That would in effect be "the end of the world". Meaning the end of an age or an era. We are predicting that is exactly what is going to happen but it has not happened yet.all claims of creationists have failed to date.
Yes, that was my point. Strictly speaking, the term "creationist" should include them (perhaps I should say "us") as they believe that God is, ultimately, the author of the universe. In practice, however, it has become a term of opprobrium.When it comes to scientific ideas there are many Christians that would take offense at being called a creationist of any sort. There are Christians that can do science and believe that God worked through natural means. No need for any magic tricks to accomplish what happened. When it comes to evolution the only place left to possibly shoehorn God into the process would be the evolution of the first eukaryote. How prokaryotes managed to combine and live symbiotically together is still not well understood, of course I could be wrong and that may have been solved by now.
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