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When did “consciousness” enter the Universe?
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<blockquote data-quote="Bradskii" data-source="post: 76127776" data-attributes="member: 412388"><p>You can't point to pain either. Or love. Or hunger. But these are entirely natural physical events. We just use a word that saves us having to explain those events and processes in any great detail. </p><p></p><p>I could write a whole book on the concept of money and how it is used to transfer wealth and goods and the value of labour and you'd say 'Hey, it's all about finance'. So we can use one word that describes all the physical aspects of wealth etc instead of describing all the individual aspects themselves. So we can point to money. And we can point to someone transferring the money and point to someone purchasing some goods which we can watch being produced. But we can't point to 'finance'.</p><p></p><p>Does that mean that 'finance' is somehow separate from the processes which it describes? Not at all. It's simply a shorthand means to describe those processes. But it isn't something in itself. </p><p></p><p>So consciousness isn't something in itself either. It's a term used to describe processes. So just as it's nonsensical to search banks and shops and wage agreements looking for 'finance' it's equally nonsensical looking at synapses and chemical changes and electrical charges looking for 'consciousness'. </p><p></p><p>Nobody talks about the 'hard problem of finance' because we know enough about monetary processes to be able to understand what we mean by 'finance'. We don't yet know enough about mental processes to understand exactly what we mean by 'consciousness'. </p><p></p><p>There'll come a time when we realise it wasn't a hard problem that needed to be solved. It was more a problem of understanding the processes so that the term is sufficiently defined and we all know what is meant by it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bradskii, post: 76127776, member: 412388"] You can't point to pain either. Or love. Or hunger. But these are entirely natural physical events. We just use a word that saves us having to explain those events and processes in any great detail. I could write a whole book on the concept of money and how it is used to transfer wealth and goods and the value of labour and you'd say 'Hey, it's all about finance'. So we can use one word that describes all the physical aspects of wealth etc instead of describing all the individual aspects themselves. So we can point to money. And we can point to someone transferring the money and point to someone purchasing some goods which we can watch being produced. But we can't point to 'finance'. Does that mean that 'finance' is somehow separate from the processes which it describes? Not at all. It's simply a shorthand means to describe those processes. But it isn't something in itself. So consciousness isn't something in itself either. It's a term used to describe processes. So just as it's nonsensical to search banks and shops and wage agreements looking for 'finance' it's equally nonsensical looking at synapses and chemical changes and electrical charges looking for 'consciousness'. Nobody talks about the 'hard problem of finance' because we know enough about monetary processes to be able to understand what we mean by 'finance'. We don't yet know enough about mental processes to understand exactly what we mean by 'consciousness'. There'll come a time when we realise it wasn't a hard problem that needed to be solved. It was more a problem of understanding the processes so that the term is sufficiently defined and we all know what is meant by it. [/QUOTE]
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