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<blockquote data-quote="TheReasoner" data-source="post: 65678750" data-attributes="member: 104245"><p>As much as I agree with you, Florida2, far from all christians seem to do so. Your viewpoint is clearly in line with what my own was as a christian, and I maintain that position without believing there is any divine commandment demanding it of me today. However, there are many verses in the bible where violence is quite significantly endorsed directly (as in the call for death penalty for minor perceived crimes, the sale of offspring as slaves, or extermination of entire nations) or indirectly (By speaking of atrocities without any form of condemnation). </p><p>Christians today are the ones who keep pushing for discrimination of homosexuals. It tends to be christians who want borders closed to immigration, and who work against universal healthcare in the states. Just to bring up a few examples. Yes, plenty of christians are as you describe loving and kind people. Who genuinely seek to do good and who also DO good. We can probably make a long list of such people, famous or not. But, we can also make a long list of christians who are anything but. And both sides (it is an excessive simplification to say there are only two sides, I know) tend to claim they are right because the bible supports THEIR view. In many cases both sides are right, too. The bible may be said to support many different things if the reader only wants it to.</p><p></p><p>I applaud the viewpoint you seem to have, that love is your primary purpose, and I would agree that this would be Jesus of Nazareth's core teaching. It would seem not everyone agrees with us on that though. Not in practice, anyway.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheReasoner, post: 65678750, member: 104245"] As much as I agree with you, Florida2, far from all christians seem to do so. Your viewpoint is clearly in line with what my own was as a christian, and I maintain that position without believing there is any divine commandment demanding it of me today. However, there are many verses in the bible where violence is quite significantly endorsed directly (as in the call for death penalty for minor perceived crimes, the sale of offspring as slaves, or extermination of entire nations) or indirectly (By speaking of atrocities without any form of condemnation). Christians today are the ones who keep pushing for discrimination of homosexuals. It tends to be christians who want borders closed to immigration, and who work against universal healthcare in the states. Just to bring up a few examples. Yes, plenty of christians are as you describe loving and kind people. Who genuinely seek to do good and who also DO good. We can probably make a long list of such people, famous or not. But, we can also make a long list of christians who are anything but. And both sides (it is an excessive simplification to say there are only two sides, I know) tend to claim they are right because the bible supports THEIR view. In many cases both sides are right, too. The bible may be said to support many different things if the reader only wants it to. I applaud the viewpoint you seem to have, that love is your primary purpose, and I would agree that this would be Jesus of Nazareth's core teaching. It would seem not everyone agrees with us on that though. Not in practice, anyway. [/QUOTE]
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