What's the use?

[JohnR7]

I wonder why I come on here, when people spend so much time trying to attack, tear down and destroy something I love and care about very much and is a endless source of comfort and strength to me. It fact, christianity gives me a sound mind.

I really wonder, what's the use? Am I just wasting my time here? I am sure there must be a more productive way I can use my time. I am sure there is someone somewhere, that I can help to receive what God has for them. No one on here seems interested.

 

[Arikay]

Im not quite sure John. Since you have also attacked others here.

 

[Follower of Christ]

For every one person searching for God there are hundreds that take it all too casually.
Remember that 1 person. that is who you are looking for.

 

[SBfaithful]

Stand strong.
Keep the faith.

In Christ,
Anthony

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 11:21 PM Arikay said this in Post #2

Im not quite sure John. Since you have also attacked others here.

I have and I fully expect to get attacked in return. What goes around comes around and the way you treat others is the way your going to be treated in return.

That is not what I am talking about. I am talking about people who come on here and attack something I love and care about very much. I love my Heavenly Father more than I love my earthy Father. More than I love my wife and family.

When people grieve the Holy Spirit of God, it grieves me.  

 

[judy]

So are you here looking to convert people? If it bothers you so much, as it seems to, maybe you could think of a more constructive use of your precious time.

 

[Follower of Christ]

There always seem to be that type lurking about...

 

[gentu]

John, the thing that most people are trying to tell you is that understanding that the theory of organic evolution accurately describes life on this planet does not make you an atheist or any less a Christian. Many Christians, myself included, do not have a problem with this concept. People are attacking things like your misunderstaning of evolutionary theory, not your faith.

 

[Cantuar]

People aren't attacking Christianity; people are attacking the way creationists have tried to turn Genesis into some sort of caricature of science. If you want to equate biblical literalism with Chrsitanity and say that nobody but biblical literalists are Christians, then you're going to get your feelings hurt, because both the non-Christians and the Christians who aren't biblical literalists will be posting against you. And if I were a member of the latter group, I'd be pretty frosted by the way the biblical literalists around here claim to be the only True Christians posting.

 

[lucaspa]

17th April 2003 at 11:17 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #1

I wonder why I come on here, when people spend so much time trying to attack, tear down and destroy something I love and care about very much and is a endless source of comfort and strength to me. It fact, christianity gives me a sound mind.

Then why are you trying so hard to destroy Christianity?

I really wonder, what's the use? Am I just wasting my time here? I am sure there must be a more productive way I can use my time. I am sure there is someone somewhere, that I can help to receive what God has for them. No one on here seems interested.

That's because you totally misunderstand the discussion.  This isn't about receiving "what God has for them".  This about how God created.  Why is it so hard for you to grasp that evolution doesn't contradict God?

It is creationism that contradicts God.

 

[repentandbelieve]

Yesterday at 04:32 AM judy said this in Post #6

So are you here looking to convert people? If it bothers you so much, as it seems to, maybe you could think of a more constructive use of your precious time.

What is bothersome is that so many people are dishonering God through unbelief, not so much the personal attacks against believers. 

 

[repentandbelieve]

Yesterday at 04:21 AM Arikay said this in Post #2

Im not quite sure John. Since you have also attacked others here.

JohnR7, in using this board I have found something that is really, really interesting.

There are a large number of unbelievers using this forum, who admittingly have no desire whatsoever for the gospel of Christ, that spend a tremendous amount of time and energy trying to undermine the faith of those who do have a desire for the gospel.

I find this really interesting in light of the fact that this is a Christain forum. To me it testifies to the fact that the world we live in is very much hostile toward the gospel.

That in itself, I count as a valuable truth to be aware of because it helps me to remain mindful of what we are up against.  

 

[Zadok001]

JohnR7:

Agree with Lucaspa. This forum is not about 'tearing down' Christianity. The idea that Genesis is an infalliable historical text is under attack here, but given that Christians exist who accept Genesis as a parable rather than fact, it seems unfair to claim that attacking Genesis as history is equivalent to attacking Christianity as a whole.

 

[Jeptha]

"There are a large number of unbelievers using this forum, who admittingly have no desire whatsoever for the gospel of Christ, that spend a tremendous amount of time and energy trying to undermine the faith of those who do have a desire for the gospel.

I find this really interesting in light of the fact that this is a Christain forum. To me it testifies to the fact that the world we live in is very much hostile toward the gospel."

JEP: Are you afraid that your faith will crumble like a straw house in a wind storm?? Mine won't. Here is the place you can learn to defend your faith. If what i believe is true, then that truth will come out. There is no need to fear attack on my dogma. Just learn to defend that dogma if it's worth defending. This forum is really no different than the real world.

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 01:23 PM repentandbelieve said this in Post #12

I find this really interesting in light of the fact that this is a Christain forum. To me it testifies to the fact that the world we live in is very much hostile toward the gospel.

Your post is a real blessing. One thing I noticed is they can not admit they are hostile against the gospel, because if they were to admit that, they would be admiting the gospel is true.

So really in effect their very attitude testifys against them.

 

[Follower of Christ]

Today at 12:03 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #15



Your post is a real blessing. One thing I noticed is they can not admit they are hostile against the gospel, because if they were to admit that, they would be admiting the gospel is true.

So really in effect their very attitude testifys against them.

That is very well said.

I dont believe in Santa, and I would not waste a second of my time arguing that he doesnt exist.
If someone doesnt believe in God, I fail to see why they would even waste any time arguing that He doesnt exist. It would seem to be a complete waste.

I think that for the most part, atheists DO believe something is out there. They sure seem to spend an aweful lot of time trying to prove there isnt.

Its that determination in them that causes me to think they do believe.
As you stated, they just cant admit anything or otherwise they have to admit they are subject to Gods requirements of them.

 

[judy]

Today at 12:34 AM Follower of Christ said this in Post #16


That is very well said.

I dont believe in Santa, and I would not waste a second of my time arguing that he doesnt exist.
If someone doesnt believe in God, I fail to see why they would even waste any time arguing that He doesnt exist. It would seem to be a complete waste.

I think that for the most part, atheists DO believe something is out there. They sure seem to spend an aweful lot of time trying to prove there isnt.

Its that determination in them that causes me to think they do believe.
As you stated, they just cant admit anything or otherwise they have to admit they are subject to Gods requirements of them.

Are you sure? If there were a large group of otherwise rational people who believed in Santa, the Easter Bunny, or that the sun orbits the earth, wouldn't you find that fascinating? Wouldn't you be in the least bit tempted to talk to them about their beliefs? Wouldn't you want to convince them of the truth as you see it?

 

[Zadok001]

To continue in the vein of Judy's post.

Furthermore, FoC, haven't you noticed that the folks on this forum aren't usually interested in disproving the existance of God? At least for me, this is a matter of showing all the evidence objectively, and explaining why it doesn't support the YEC hypothesis. Essentially, I want to keep people informed enough to understand that sites like AiG are misleading them consciously. (I know you'll take exception to that statement, but come on - How many times have we been given evidence from AiG, and had it not only refuted, but shown to be entirely fallacious within tweny-four hours?)

On a similar note, I have a question for ya', FoC. You compare our actions to the actions of a man bent on disproving the existance of Santa. This is a flawed analogy for several reasons. First, as Judy pointed out, there is not a massive, cooridinated League For Santa's Existance. If there were, I get the distinct feeling you would feel the need to talk to them, yes? (Especially if, say, the LFSE claimed that Santa was the reincarnation of Muhammed and was also the second coming of Christ.)

Second (and I could be wrong here, I might be attaching your name to incorrectly remembered posts), I believe you have on occassion claimed that disbelief in God and the YEC hypothesis require more faith than belief. Hence, I have to ask why you waste your time trying to convince them otherwise - Aren't you tearing down THEIR beliefs, just as you complain they are tearing down yours? What's the relevant distinction here? (The response "My beliefs are TRUE!" is silly for obvious reasons, I hope you won't try that.)

 

[Micaiah]

Little is achieved for Christ in endless debate with those who show little desire to know God's truth.

 

[lucaspa]

Yesterday at 01:23 PM repentandbelieve said this in Post #12

There are a large number of unbelievers using this forum, who admittingly have no desire whatsoever for the gospel of Christ, that spend a tremendous amount of time and energy trying to undermine the faith of those who do have a desire for the gospel.

I don't find this at all.  Yes, there are several agnostics and atheists here, but the interest is in talking about science, not converting theists to atheists.  When one of these misuses science to promote their particular beliefs, other evolutionists correct this.

I think, repentandbelieve, that you are sharing the mistake of the other creationists on this board in thinking that rejection of creationism means rejecting creation.  That simply does not follow.  Creation and creationism are two separate things.  Most Christians reject creationism but retain their belief in the gospel.

I would ask you, what in evolution rejects the gospel? 

That in itself, I count as a valuable truth to be aware of because it helps me to remain mindful of what we are up against.  

There are several of us here who view creationism as the greatest danger facing Christianity.  Atheism can be dealt with.  The danger to Christianity is the logical flaw that says that if God didn't create by the way the creationists say, then there is no God.  Keep promoting that logical flaw as truth, get people to accept the flaw as truth, and the inevitable result is to drive people away from Christianity in particular and theism in general.  Several people on this board are trying to save Christianity from creationism.

"Christians should look on evolution simply as the method by which God works."  James McCosh, theologian and President of Princeton, The Religious Aspects of Evolution, 2d ed. 1890, pg 68.