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I repeat...Loudmouth, explain... Show us how scientists can determine there is an appearance of design.
Please answer the question.
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I repeat...Loudmouth, explain... Show us how scientists can determine there is an appearance of design.Irrelevant. Appearances aren't evidence.
I have provided evidence. I saw the appearance of aliens and a space ship and i observed the same. The evidence is the appearance of space ships and aliens.
I repeat...Loudmouth, explain... Show us how scientists can determine there is an appearance of design.
This is clearly evasion. I take this as a fail for you.I repeat. Irrelevant since we are discussing evidence, not appearances.
This is clearly evasion. I take this as a fail for you.
This is clearly evasion. I take this as a fail for you.
The evasion is trying to turn the conversation to appearances instead of evidence. You have been evading this entire time.
Start presenting evidence or admit that you have none.
Behe tried to use this appearance to classify ID as real science as well. Guess what, he couldn't do it either.
I am not sure who you are posting this to but I am going to respond. I am responding to a fellow Christian here so I am responding to a person who as I already knows that God exists so the argument is based on that. Those who do not believe that God exists or has anything to do with the process of evolution at all are not included in this post. This post is theist to theist who do not challenge the claim that God created the universe and everything in it.
You seem to be under the same faulty impression that the materialists are; it is an either or situation, either God did it and so no evolution or evolution did it and no God. God engineered life to allow for adaptation to the environment and evolution is part of that. However, He can engineer systems and features in His creation that declare His Glory...
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
And:
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Which means that when we look back in history and see the creation and see life throughout history His work within it is clearly seen. All throughout history mankind knew when they saw the complexity in all of nature that it was God that created it. Then Darwin comes along and takes that creative process of God and gives it a label and finds certain creative avenues that God uses to allow life to adapt and change to the environment and boom no need for God. Whether God micromanaged or engineered life according to a plan and it needs no micromanagement at all is really not the issue. The complex structures, features, and functions reflect as God intended to show His handiwork in creation. He wanted us to see His design to declare His work.
If you made the claim you were abducted by aliens last week, it's up to you to offer evidence to support your claim. If one makes the claim that design is an illusion, it's up to them to offer evidence to support the claim.
Neither will be offered, I'm sure.
And you've made the claim that life was designed, yet offered no objective evidence to support that claim.
And there's been not one bit of evidence for the illusion of design claim.
Nor fairies, for that matter. Therefore, fairies!
I have spoken with many scientists and was completely astonished by their blindness! I have also spoken with many people about evolution and astonished by their blindness also. Without a doubt, when one is not saved the Light of reason is not within them.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Gen 1:1
Matter! Matter is the physical property of all things material! God created all matter from nothing as we were all told but, actually God created all physical matter from spiritual water! (2 Peter 3:15, Rev 21:6) The water of life actually.
I was very logical when I asked them this one simple question; "Where did the matter come from that you associate with the Big Bang?" They told me "It came from microscopic pieces of matter that were in open space." I said "Fine, and where did THAT matter come from?" Because they were not saved, Truth was not in them and they could not answer.
Honestly, if one really thinks about it, God creating physical matter from spiritual water is absolutely ridiculous! Insane actually!
John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Spirit? really?
Could this be one of the reasons why the US has so many deep seated problems?
So what? You still need to provide some evidence (objective evidence) of design.
Still, the evidence for non-design is abundant.
It's evidenced by things like the double-nested hierarchy, the convoluted path of the blood vessels in giraffes, the location of our waste management system right next to our pleasure zone, and more. There is, unfortunately for you, absolutely zero objective evidence of design.
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