What's the difference between...

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... a (major, eg. a religious) conviction accompanied by a happy feeling, and a conviction accompanied by a sad/heavy feeling?

 

[DailyBlessings]

... a (major, eg. a religious) conviction accompanied by a happy feeling, and a conviction accompanied by a sad/heavy feeling?

The emotion it creates? What are you driving at?

 

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I mean. When you believe something strongly, you are happy with your conviction, and it drives you forward and it gives you life. But when you don't, your life can be a struggle and you just feel you might loosing it, and you don't know where yo go perhaps. What is the consequesens of this difference? Sometimes the conviction doesn't fit maybe. What doesn't make it so? Why does it make so good with some? What can make you give a good conviction the responding good feeling? That you practice your convition more? Does that goes for all? Or is it more about understanding your conviction more? Eg. Being a christian, you believe in certain lifeset of rules, but when you doubt, your live on the edge, you don't live out maybe your convitions. But also, where can one drive the line when the conviction accompany a good feeling? But mostly what effect does it have on you when your conviction is accompanied with a bad feeling instead of a good, or via verca? How more difficult eg is it to then live out those good convitions? And how can one make it good perhaps? Thats more of a practical question of course.
I guess it involves much.

 

[Verv]

I beg for the relevance of the question?

Often times there are many religious convictions and beliefs accompanied by heavy and somber feelings. Other times there are other beliefs that are accompanied by happiness.

 

[pace]

Yeah, and I think it's very important we learn to live with both. But still, I think the latter would be a better thing to live with.
eg. I think morality is unbound to our feelings: We do things we should because we see it should be done, and because by facts. But still I would be happier(not the least speaking of the person helping me) if that person would help or join me in happiness rather than detached/unemotional, whatever it regards. So my first question still applies I think.
I think maybe this is a question I. Kant also rises, and I agree with him. But whats the difference(refering to my post#2(and not the difference between the detached/unemotional and happy, but between the heavy feeling and happy))? .. And how could we then maybe learn to live more with the second option? Maybe socializing is an option? Is respecting others a substitute for the happy feeling? A good childhood? Certanly it must be many things, but maybe there's some bigger thing(s), than others. But what makes some do morally good things(usually connected to these convictions), while for others it can be a drag a lot.

 

[WingsOfTheNeophyte]

What is the consequesens of this difference?

Depends on the conviction of the follower

But mostly what effect does it have on you when your conviction is accompanied with a bad feeling instead of a good, or via verca?

The effect is the feeling

What can make you give a good conviction the responding good feeling?

Mental training, telling your mind to associate A with B

You could train your mind to associate practicing conviction A, with ecstatic feeling B

Or is it more about understanding your conviction more?

No, you could get ecstatic feelings from worshiping your toothbrush, without understanding it in any way, enough conditioning and mental training would be required, perhaps seeing other people happy from it, a church like gathering, being told by authoritative figures, reading very well written texts about how good the conviction is, understanding is irrelevant, its the mental conditioning

 

[plmarquette]

conviction is a heads up, things that might be, but you can alter them by changing your behavior

condemnation is beating yourself up for doing some thing stupid, you know ahead of time was stupid, but you did it any way...

 

[pace]

Maybe the difference is growing up? When you're young you are maybe given the convictions, but you struggle with them, maybe don't follow them. When you later do your convictions, you have reached them often by this accompanied happy feeling? Either by having the happy feeling before you start to do your conviction, or it follows shortly or later..? Not that you always have to have the accompanied happy feeling.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

I mean. When you believe something strongly, you are happy with your conviction, and it drives you forward and it gives you life. quote]

Believing something strongly without question leads to places we do not want to go.

Hundreds of thousands of women burned as witches.
Religious inquisitions
Etc

All in the name of Christianity, because their believed strongly in it.