What You Despise The Most

The Bellman · Oct 9, 2004

crashedman said:
Well, it takes all sorts. Where I live, it is too hot to wear neckties most of the time unless you happen to be a Freddie Mercury fan and wear them without a shirt

Well, I AM a Freddie Mercury fan - a big one. But my admiration doesn't extend to wearing neckties without a shirt, mercifully.

crashedman said:
For the most part, I tend to dislike clothes unless for practical use (warmth and protection).

As do I. However, rather than dislike the 'titillating' ones, I enjoy them.

crashedman said:
Correct. It is somebody who feels that homosexuals are an inferior race of people.

Similar to homophobe?

crashedman said:
Hahahahaha! Nice try: the word 'gym' means 'naked' in Greek. A gymnophobe is somebody who has a fear of naked people and wants to curb such activities happening in their area. Refer to Pastor Doug Ainley and Ralph Ovadal if you want a better explanation.

D'oh! I should have worked that out myself. In that case, I agree - and have had a number of debates on these forums on the subject.

crashedman said:
Well, more of the fact that it is so easily hidden. If we had a monetary system that was completely visible and immediately traceable we would see a lot of corruption, dishonesty and secrecy vanish from our society. There'd be no more 'backroom deal' antics or passing money under the table, no more income tax or reams of paperwork when it comes to the end of the financial year.

Well that certainly appears to be true...but then again, people have a right to expect some degree of privacy, I'd think.

crashedman said:
Well, where are they now? Acording to one Autralian TV critic and comedian, he reckoned that Emmanuel Lewis was lying down on a table in Costa Rica being massaged by a bevy of young women in nurses outfits. Gary Coleman is now a security guard and got done for beating up someone a few yrars back. But look at the rest of his TV family: nice wholesome Kimberly a shoplifter, Playboy pinup and dead of a drug overdose. Big Brother Willis gets busted by Beverly Hills police for posession of a firearm in his car. Boy, that Phil Drummond was such a bad father, eh?

Yes, many of them turn out very badly...but I don't see how that means that they were 'exploited'.

crashedman said:
There is a thread on the Australian forum about Freemasonry, and have heard some anecdotes from others who were involved in the movement. It gave me the creeps I can tell you.

I didn't know there WAS an Australian forum. But in any case, I suspect those anecdotes might not be strictly true. I know a number of freemasons, and nothing distressing at all goes on.

All4one · Oct 10, 2004

Crashedman.. I enjoyed your list... Very logical and many are the very reason for moral collapse.

In Christ,
All4one

CSMR · Oct 10, 2004

All4one said:
I just wanted to open a talk where everyone tells something they cannot stand regarding morality. Not just that but also explain why.

Not quite sure what the question is.
I hate all sorts of morality because it tells me to do what I don't want to do. I want to laze around all day and morality tells me that I should work. I want something in a shop and morality tells me I have to pay for it. I want to harm someone and it tells me I must not. It nags all the time! I like it better when I manage to ignore it - and then it comes and criticises me for ignoring it!

What immoral things can't I stand? Foremost I can't stand those things that are immoral and also cause me material harm. Also I can't stand it when people do things and get off scott free without even a telling off from my friend morality! I work hard not to do these things, or else I do them but at least I have some punishment, and they go off and do the same things without any guilt! Then I hate it when I do something immoral, and later it makes me unhappy and also guilty. Where's the justice in that? The guilt should be worth some pleasure!

BTW If anyone points out I am a completely evil person, I already know this thank you very much.

Ananel · Oct 10, 2004

All4one said:
I just wanted to open a talk where everyone tells something they cannot stand regarding morality. Not just that but also explain why.
This is not a hate column but a way for others to see peoples view on certain things happening in the world today.

Thank You
All4one

Complacency in understanding.

seebs · Oct 10, 2004

All4one said:
I just wanted to open a talk where everyone tells something they cannot stand regarding morality. Not just that but also explain why.
This is not a hate column but a way for others to see peoples view on certain things happening in the world today.

I hate when people mask serious issues with trivial ones; we have people starving, and we are arguing over whether or not two people kissing is a scandal.

Annabel Lee · Oct 10, 2004

burrow_owl said:
To put it differntly: what is it when we mourn a lost child: we mourn a potentiality. In other words, we mourn an abstraction. When we mourn an adult, we mourn a person, with a personality. It's the difference between an empty (although important) concept and a particular entity. Y'see why I find it bizarre that we spend more energy on the former than the latter? I think it tells us far more about our semiotic systems than it does about the relative worth of the two. There's something symbolically important about the potentiality of humanity; but it seems coarse to me to confuse the symbolic order with the order of the real.

That's why I find it downright wrong to value an infant more than infant: to do so is to fundamentally degrade real people as against symbolic people. It's to value personhood, the concept, more than the actual person. We rightly condemned Stalinism for this, yet we retreat into the same sickness ourselves.

Children are not symbolic human beings. They are human beings. Children are not an abstraction. They are living, thinking beings.

Why do you believe children are second class citizens and at what age should children receive full status as human beings?

Adults naturally feel a great deal of responsibility towards children, which may explain why we grieve so at the death of a child.
We failed to protect the child, even if it's through no fault of our own, the guilt can be immense.

The Bellman · Oct 10, 2004

All4one said:
Crashedman.. I enjoyed your list... Very logical and many are the very reason for moral collapse.

In Christ,
All4one

What "moral collapse"?

Caylin · Oct 10, 2004

The Bellman said:
Well, I AM a Freddie Mercury fan - a big one.

Yay for Queen!

Jet Black · Oct 10, 2004

The Bellman said:
What "moral collapse"?

remember, 2000 years ago we were morally pure.... oh no we weren't... 3000? nope.... 4000 nope....5? 6?

All4one · Oct 10, 2004

Also I can't stand it when people do things and get off scott free without even a telling off from my friend morality! I work hard not to do these things, or else I do them but at least I have some punishment, and they go off and do the same things without any guilt! Then I hate it when I do something immoral, and later it makes me unhappy and also guilty. Where's the justice in that? The guilt should be worth some pleasure!

CSMR... If this is your life ethic and following of God then your reward will be greater then those who have no ethics or morality. Yet nothing good comes from anything aside from God. Invite God in and find how easy it is to follow moral standards then to reject them. Love ya bro!

What "moral collapse"?

Bellman, before you can see a moral collapse you have to know what morality is.

In Christs love,
All4one

All4one · Oct 10, 2004

BTW If anyone points out I am a completely evil person, I already know this thank you very much.

CSMR... this sounds like a Holy Spirit tugging... Have you ever been saved? If so may I ask how long ago? I admire your response and ethics I pray you would do the same.
Love Ya Bro,
All4one

seebs · Oct 10, 2004

All4one said:
Bellman, before you can see a moral collapse you have to know what morality is.

From reading his posts, I'd say he has a pretty good idea.

I have some idea what morality is, although I could always be wrong, and I'm not sure I see a "moral collapse". Honestly, I think American culture is more moral today than it was a hundred years ago.

If you offer me two otherwise identical civilizations, one of which allows gay marriage, and one of which prohibits interracial marriage, I think the first is a lot closer to God's will than the second. They might both be wrong, but one of the errors is much, much, much worse.

The Bellman · Oct 10, 2004

All4one said:
Bellman, before you can see a moral collapse you have to know what morality is.

I'll ignore the rather pathetic implied insult, and simply reply that I do. Just in case YOU don't, here's a dictionary definition:

mo·ral·i·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-rl-t, mô-)
n. pl. mo·ral·i·ties
1. The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct.
2. A system of ideas of right and wrong conduct: religious morality; Christian morality.
3. Virtuous conduct.
4. A rule or lesson in moral conduct.

Now, to repeat my question - what "moral crisis"?

All4one · Oct 10, 2004

From reading his posts, I'd say he has a pretty good idea.

I have some idea what morality is, although I could always be wrong, and I'm not sure I see a "moral collapse". Honestly, I think American culture is more moral today than it was a hundred years ago.

If you offer me two otherwise identical civilizations, one of which allows gay marriage, and one of which prohibits interracial marriage, I think the first is a lot closer to God's will than the second. They might both be wrong, but one of the errors is much, much, much worse.

Seebs- the only difference between then and now is the fact that both exist whereas before it was one. Interacial intolerance is still here but we have just added the gay marriage. This is simple to see.

I'll ignore the rather pathetic implied insult, and simply reply that I do. Just in case YOU don't, here's a dictionary definition:

mo·ral·i·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-rl-t, mô-)
n. pl. mo·ral·i·ties
1. The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct.
2. A system of ideas of right and wrong conduct: religious morality; Christian morality.
3. Virtuous conduct.
4. A rule or lesson in moral conduct.

Now, to repeat my question - what "moral crisis"?

Now this is comedy! When a person has to refer to a dictionary to find out what morality is?

The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct.

Does the dictionary determine this as well?

A system of ideas of right and wrong conduct: religious morality; Christian morality.

Hmmm now we are on to something.

As I recall no dictionary created morality so how can they truly define what it is without God? The "morality crises" I speak of has been proven here. It is a morality crises when the dictionary is consulted in place of the bible.

The Bellman · Oct 10, 2004

All4one said:
Now this is comedy! When a person has to refer to a dictionary to find out what morality is?

Do you not bother to read people's posts? I stated that I knew what morality was, and supplied the dictionary definition in case YOU didn't.

All4one said:
Does the dictionary determine this as well?

No, it doesn't. Why would it?

All4one said:
As I recall no dictionary created morality so how can they truly define what it is without God?

The dictionary defines the meaning of english words, not the bible or god.

All4one said:
The "morality crises" I speak of has been proven here.

No, it hasn't. That's what I'm asking you to demonstrate.

All4one said:
It is a morality crises when the dictionary is consulted in place of the bible.

No, it's not. The dictionary is the reference for the meaning of english language words, not the bible.

Now, all dodging, implied insults and so forth aside, I'll ask again:

What "moral crisis"?

1GODALONE · Oct 10, 2004

I absolutely detest prideful, pompous, arrogant behavior toward those others dont understand. Oh...and though your question was not directed at me, I think by moral collapse he might mean abortion issues, gay marriage, stem cell research, etc. Which are moral issues for Christians.

CSMR · Oct 11, 2004

All4one said:
CSMR... If this is your life ethic and following of God then your reward will be greater then those who have no ethics or morality. Yet nothing good comes from anything aside from God. Invite God in and find how easy it is to follow moral standards then to reject them. Love ya bro!

CSMR... this sounds like a Holy Spirit tugging... Have you ever been saved? If so may I ask how long ago? I admire your response and ethics I pray you would do the same.

In Christs love,
All4one

Yes, I suppose so. When? I don't know about that. As a progressive realisation, at the beginning of time, in the crucifixion, in the future? But where are the fruits of it, I tell you? Follow moral standards? It's not like me to do something like that. I may follow my bad feelings about morality which I told you about, but not the true law of God; if anything is clear in my earlier post, it is that my ethics are not very admirable! Follow Christ, long and hope in the spirit for new life in the ressurection - this is more possible. Perhaps I have found the "narrow gate" and am only looking in and have not yet gone in? It seems to me that I have been given a promise, and granted forgiveness, and yet in much of my life couldn't care less about God, forgiveness, promises, or morals. Hopefully this will change somewhat. Thankfully it is the faithfulness of God we rely on and not our own.
I ramble. It is your fault, for asking so direct a question! I appreciate your concern.
CSMR

seebs · Oct 11, 2004

1GODALONE said:
I absolutely detest prideful, pompous, arrogant behavior toward those others dont understand. Oh...and though your question was not directed at me, I think by moral collapse he might mean abortion issues, gay marriage, stem cell research, etc. Which are moral issues for Christians.

They are, but they are not necessarily simple issues. The objection to stem cell research seems to be rooted in the use of embryos from abortions; I think many people are simply totally unaware that there are other ways to get stem cells!

seebs · Oct 11, 2004

CSMR said:
I may follow my bad feelings about morality which I told you about, but not the true law of God; if anything is clear in my earlier post, it is that my ethics are not very admirable!

Can you clarify this a bit? I'm not sure what you're saying.

GMRELIC · Oct 11, 2004

All4one said:
GMRELIC, I am not sure that you are referring to me but I admit that I have lusted before in my life. As far as pointing out others flaws it seems that you would be applying that same self-righteous attitude if your going to condemn someone elses flaws. Like you said... before you clean someone elses yard clean your own. You condemn the fact that others condemn some actions. It is condemning all the same. Don't think that putting down "self-righteousness" excludes you from being self-righteous.

In Love,
All4one

Not referring to you at all, you ask what people disliked the most, and I stated what I did dislike, I have a very hard time with people pointing out other people's sins. If I have an affair on my wife or vice versa, I don't need people pointing out my sin, I already know I sinned, It is between me, my wife and God, Not between everyone else who thinks they need to get in the middle of it. (just using this as an example, I don't even have a wife)
When people reach perfection, then I feel as though they can go around telling other people they are sinners, but until they reach that perfect level
they should consentrate on thier own down falls, instead of everyone elses.
It is that simple to me. I don't feel I am self-righteous, I am a sinner, I know I am a sinner, I just don't go around focusing on everybody elses sins, I strive to focus on my own, and become the person God wants me to be.
basicly I stay out of others business, If they ask my opinion, I give it, But if they don't ask for it, then I don't give it. Yes, I pray for them, but I Feel the best way to make people run from Christ is to nag them and condemn them,
and to continue to point fingers at them.
Hope this explains my views.
Peace,
GMRELIC

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