What Would You Do III?

[Polycarp1]

This thread is intended as a companion piece to Robert (BAFriend)'s two "What Would You Do?" poll threads. I'm not posting it as a poll, because I want to leave room for open ended answers.

The situation to deal with is this:

A young woman, let's say age 19 now, was systematically molested as a small child by her father, and suffers from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder as a result. She grew up in the custody of her "mothers" -- her actual mother by blood and the woman her mother took for life partner after leaving the girl's father. She was attempting to follow the Lord in the tradition of the Society of Friends, and had finally admitted to herself that, like her mother, she had bisexual tendencies. While she loves her mother, she does have some difficulties with her.

Suppose you encountered her online, say in one of these threads, and got some of the facts about her story. What would you do? What advice would you give her?

There's a special reason I'm setting up this particular scenario, and I want to deal with that after people have answered it as a hypothetical scenario. Thanks.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Of course. If a girl has truly suffered that sort of past and is now in custody of two mothers, she deserves some advise. In the most unbiased way. I wouldn't tell her she's in the wrong or her mothers are in the wrong, because then it's no longer advise. Obviously, the main probably here is that she doesn't always get along with her parents. Advise would to for her to open up to them because in the end, the parents do the best job of explaining. (The fact that she shares her mothers tendencies should make her mother more understanding as well).

The last thing you want to do to a PTSD victim is tell them it's there fault.

 

[BAFRIEND]

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[Brieuse]

This thread is intended as a companion piece to Robert (BAFriend)'s two "What Would You Do?" poll threads. I'm not posting it as a poll, because I want to leave room for open ended answers.

The situation to deal with is this:

A young woman, let's say age 19 now, was systematically molested as a small child by her father, and suffers from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder as a result. She grew up in the custody of her "mothers" -- her actual mother by blood and the woman her mother took for life partner after leaving the girl's father. She was attempting to follow the Lord in the tradition of the Society of Friends, and had finally admitted to herself that, like her mother, she had bisexual tendencies. While she loves her mother, she does have some difficulties with her.

Suppose you encountered her online, say in one of these threads, and got some of the facts about her story. What would you do? What advice would you give her?

There's a special reason I'm setting up this particular scenario, and I want to deal with that after people have answered it as a hypothetical scenario. Thanks.

I'm not sure what I would say to her, but millions of children have experienced molestation, and it makes my blood boil. I'd probably ask her for her father's address and hurt him.

I am by no means a councilor, but hell, I'd give her a shoulder to cry on and organise somebody professional for her to talk to.

 

[UberLutheran]

Interesting: not a peep from Der Alter, NewGuy101 or JohnChapter14.

[sound of crickets chirping]

 

[united4Peace]

I would refer her to some Christian websites that show that its okay to be Gay

Ive posted quite a few links today...so hmmm there was a good one for teens in one that I posted in that age range (college/university students) and Id give them so links to Church websites that were affirming as God does accept Gays, Bisexuals and Lesbians as they too are Her Creation

As for the molestation ...
Id have to just listen the best I could and refer her to a Professional Councelor...
but the molestation has nothing to do with her sexuality...
only 10% of those who are gay have been sexually abused...more heterosexuals have.

 

[HaloHope]

I would refer her to some Christian websites that show that its okay to be Gay

Ive posted quite a few links today...so hmmm there was a good one for teens in one that I posted in that age range (college/university students) and Id give them so links to Church websites that were affirming as God does accept Gays, Bisexuals and Lesbians as they too are Her Creation

As for the molestation ...
Id have to just listen the best I could and refer her to a Professional Councelor...
but the molestation has nothing to do with her sexuality...
only 10% of those who are gay have been sexually abused...more heterosexuals have.

Pretty much what I would do too, great post

 

[brightmorningstar]

A young woman, let's say age 19 now, was systematically molested as a small child by her father, and suffers from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder as a result. She grew up in the custody of her "mothers" -- her actual mother by blood and the woman her mother took for life partner after leaving the girl's father. She was attempting to follow the Lord in the tradition of the Society of Friends, and had finally admitted to herself that, like her mother, she had bisexual tendencies. While she loves her mother, she does have some difficulties with her.

Suppose you encountered her online, say in one of these threads, and got some of the facts about her story. What would you do? What advice would you give her?

It depends in what capacity she comes to this forum for, whether to debate or seek advice. If she is in a fellowship of the Society of Friends she may not be aware of the new creation in Jesus Christ. I think my advice would be to read the Bible and seek out a Christian fellowship... the word of God can impact people but there is nothing better than face to face.
I might refer her to some Christian websites that I would refer her to some Christian websites that show that its okay to have these feelings but Christ is more than feeling 'gay.'

 

[artybloke]

If she is in a fellowship of the Society of Friends she may not be aware of the new creation in Jesus Christ.

I'm a Quaker and I very much am.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Howver not all quakers believe in Jesus Christ as Lord God.

 

[UberLutheran]

Howver not all quakers believe in Jesus Christ as Lord God.

I'd like to see the documentation which supports that statement...

 

[UberLutheran]

Yoo-hoo: NewGuy... MercyBurst... Der Alter: it's awfully quiet over on the right...

[sound of crickets chirping]

 

[brightmorningstar]

Well I have discussed with people who claim to be quakers who dont believe Jesus Christ is Lord.

http://www.quaker.org.uk/Templates/Internal.asp?words=Christ&Search=True&NodeID=89737&config=qua
For example, you will find some Quakers who have a strong belief in Jesus Christ as their saviour, while others recognise that Jesus was a good man whose example is worth following,...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Society_of_FriendsMany Quakers feel their faith does not fit within traditional Christian categories of Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant, but is an expression of another way of experiencing God.

Although Quakers throughout most of their history and in most parts of the world today consider Quakerism to be a Christian movement, some Friends (principally in some Meetings in the United States and the United Kingdom) now consider themselves universalist, agnostic, atheist, nonrealist, humanist,

But this is diverting from the OP question

 

[united4Peace]

Yoo-hoo: NewGuy... MercyBurst... Der Alter: it's awfully quiet over on the right...

[sound of crickets chirping]

Thank goodness...Ive got a headache...lets keep the birds chirping, crickets chirping...

 

[Time4AChange]

YAY! No NewGuy, MercyBurst or Der Alter....No one that's going to oppose you by using the word of God. It's nice and peaceful in sin without those Jesus fanatics saying that homosexuality is wrong, isn't it?

And to United4Peace, instead of referring her to a gay affirming "Christian" website, how bout you refer her to a gay affirming Christian Scripture? I mean with all the evil in this world, dont you think that maybe...just maybe...that not all "Christian" websites are truly Christian? Wouldn't refering her to the Scriptures be more Christ like? I mean Jesus studied it...Jesus used it when the devil tempted Him, first thing that came out of His mouth was "It is written"...Jesus preached the importance of knowing and reading the Scriptures. As a professing Christian who's supposed to follow Christ, what do you think Christ would do....refer her to a website (esp one that's contrary to God's word) or refer her to the Scriptures?

 

[UberLutheran]

YAY! No NewGuy, MercyBurst or Der Alter....No one that's going to oppose you by using the word of God. It's nice and peaceful in sin without those Jesus fanatics saying that homosexuality is wrong, isn't it?

And to United4Peace, instead of referring her to a gay affirming "Christian" website, how bout you refer her to a gay affirming Christian Scripture? I mean with all the evil in this world, dont you think that maybe...just maybe...that not all "Christian" websites are truly Christian? Wouldn't refering her to the Scriptures be more Christ like? I mean Jesus studied it...Jesus used it when the devil tempted Him, first thing that came out of His mouth was "It is written"...Jesus preached the importance of knowing and reading the Scriptures. As a professing Christian who's supposed to follow Christ, what do you think Christ would do....refer her to a website (esp one that's contrary to God's word) or refer her to the Scriptures?

Now very early in the morning, He came again into the temple, and all the people came to Him. He sat down, and taught them. The scribes and the Pharisees brought two people: a woman taken in adultery, and a homosexual discovered having sex with another man (the Pharisees knew about this because they had spent an hour watching the two men from the two men’s bedroom window).

Having set them in the midst, they told Him, “Teacher, we found this woman in adultery and this homosexual, in the very act. Now in our law, Moses commanded us to stone such. What then do you say about them?” They said this testing Him, that they might have something to accuse Him of.

But Jesus stooped down, and wrote on the ground with His finger. But when they continued asking Him, he looked up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw the first stone at her.” Again He stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground.

They, when they heard it, being convicted by their conscience, they began to leave one by one, beginning from the oldest, even to the last.

However, one of the Pharisees spoke up, and said, “That’s all well and good about the adulteress, but what about this homosexual?” Jesus looked at the homosexual, then at the Pharisee, and said, “By golly – you’re right!” And at once, the body of the homosexual was covered in boils, and a dark cloud formed near the homosexual’s house and dropped a tornado (which was later rated F-5 on the Fujita scale) which struck and destroyed the homosexual’s house – and then just as miraculously, ascended into the clouds; and a ring of sulfur smoke and fire surrounded the homosexual as Satan and his demons grabbed the homosexual and the ground descended into Hell.

“Well,” said one of the Pharisees, “at least He did something right!”

(Why -- what do you mean this isn't in the story? Seeing as the Bible is all about condemning homosexuality, but says very little about not being charitable to the poor, acting justly, loving mercy, showing humility, loving God with all one's heart, soul, and mind -- this is the way the story appears in my Bible. I'm surprised this wouldn't appear in anybody else's Bible.

(But then again -- I use the Fundamentalist Standard Bible where Leviticus consists of one chapter with two verses; and Romans consists of one chapter with seven verses.)

 

[united4Peace]

YAY! No NewGuy, MercyBurst or Der Alter....No one that's going to oppose you by using the word of God. It's nice and peaceful in sin without those Jesus fanatics saying that homosexuality is wrong, isn't it?

And to United4Peace, instead of referring her to a gay affirming "Christian" website, how bout you refer her to a gay affirming Christian Scripture? I mean with all the evil in this world, dont you think that maybe...just maybe...that not all "Christian" websites are truly Christian? Wouldn't refering her to the Scriptures be more Christ like? I mean Jesus studied it...Jesus used it when the devil tempted Him, first thing that came out of His mouth was "It is written"...Jesus preached the importance of knowing and reading the Scriptures. As a professing Christian who's supposed to follow Christ, what do you think Christ would do....refer her to a website (esp one that's contrary to God's word) or refer her to the Scriptures?

Well then Id refer her to a Minister...
A Minister who I trusted...one who listened...

Oh wait...I suppose any Minister Id refer someone too wouldnt be good enough for your liking as they would probably tell her to accept herself for who she is and to work on loving herself and stop judging herself from others perspectives...
That Hating onesself and judging oneself is a sin...as she is God's creation...God loves her for her...and just accept God's love...

So yes that wouldnt be good enough would it...
Id have to send her to a Minister who would condemn her and tell her she was headed to hell if she didnt change and become hetero and repent for her wicked ways...

 

[Time4AChange]

Now very early in the morning, He came again into the temple, and all the people came to Him. He sat down, and taught them. The scribes and the Pharisees brought two people: a woman taken in adultery, and a homosexual discovered having sex with another man (the Pharisees knew about this because they had spent an hour watching the two men from the two men’s bedroom window).

Having set them in the midst, they told Him, “Teacher, we found this woman in adultery and this homosexual, in the very act. Now in our law, Moses commanded us to stone such. What then do you say about them?” They said this testing Him, that they might have something to accuse Him of.

But Jesus stooped down, and wrote on the ground with His finger. But when they continued asking Him, he looked up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw the first stone at her.” Again He stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground.

They, when they heard it, being convicted by their conscience, they began to leave one by one, beginning from the oldest, even to the last.

However, one of the Pharisees spoke up, and said, “That’s all well and good about the adulteress, but what about this homosexual?” Jesus looked at the homosexual, then at the Pharisee, and said, “By golly – you’re right!” And at once, the body of the homosexual was covered in boils, and a dark cloud formed near the homosexual’s house and dropped a tornado (which was later rated F-5 on the Fujita scale) which struck and destroyed the homosexual’s house – and then just as miraculously, ascended into the clouds; and a ring of sulfur smoke and fire surrounded the homosexual as Satan and his demons grabbed the homosexual and the ground descended into Hell.

“Well,” said one of the Pharisees, “at least He did something right!”

(Why -- what do you mean this isn't in the story? Seeing as the Bible is all about condemning homosexuality, but says very little about not being charitable to the poor, acting justly, loving mercy, showing humility, loving God with all one's heart, soul, and mind -- this is the way the story appears in my Bible. I'm surprised this wouldn't appear in anybody else's Bible.

(But then again -- I use the Fundamentalist Standard Bible where Leviticus consists of one chapter with two verses; and Romans consists of one chapter with seven verses.)

Umm....okay, nice story.

 

[UberLutheran]

Umm....okay, nice story.

Check your Bible: if we're using the same one, the Book of Leviticus should be two verses long; and the Epistle to the Romans should consist of six verses (the old Romans 1:26-32) -- the rest of the epistle was deemed "irrelevant" by the Theocratic Fundamentalist Association.

 

[Time4AChange]

Well then Id refer her to a Minister...
A Minister who I trusted...one who listened...

Im witchu on this.

Oh wait...I suppose any Minister Id refer someone too wouldnt be good enough for your liking as they would probably tell her to accept herself for who she is and to work on loving herself and stop judging herself from others perspectives...
That Hating onesself and judging oneself is a sin...as she is God's creation...God loves her for her...and just accept God's love...

My liking? Don't worry about that...worry about Christ's liking.....Luke 9:23-If anyone wishes to come after me, he must deny himself, take up his cross daily and follow me. Luke 14:26-27-"If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple." Matthew 7:1-5 speaks about judging yourself to make sure you are right.

So basically everything you just said sounded REAL good, and appealed to the emotions and all that good stuff....but it was the complete opposite of what Christ requires of us.

So yes that wouldnt be good enough would it...
Id have to send her to a Minister who would condemn her and tell her she was headed to hell if she didnt change and become hetero and repent for her wicked ways...

Good enough for who? For me, or for Christ? like i said worry bout Him and what He commanded. A minister doesn't need to do that, God can reveal that to her thru His word and thru conviction. If He so chooses to let a minister tell her the truth (which is exactly what that is), then so be it. A man of God would rebuke in a loving way, so I have no problem with a minister talking to a sinner about the reality of hell. People so scared to talk about hell...Newsflash!, HELL is the main reason that Christ came. To die for us so that we won't have to go there, to provide a reachable alternative (heaven) thru Him...and to tell us what we need to do to gaurantee that we get to heaven and be with Him 4 all eternity.

This whole "love" everyone talk, is the Antichrist's best deception, and SOOO many are falling prey to it. We as Christians should be able to discern what's truth and what's not, but so many of us are walking right into that trap...God warned us that the devil is a deceiver and that he will deceive many, yet we just not listening. Everything under the sun now is apparently holy and righteous...ppl just doing and believing whatever now, and claiming it's of God...no one's being deceived by the devil, and God somehow miscalculated when He said that many shall be deceived. Seriously, wake up believers, please....This is not the time to be deceived and to be deceiving others. God help us.

There's so much more i want to say, but i feel like it's pointless...and i'll just be wasting my time. Lord forgive me for feeling that way, but that's just the truth. God's word is so precise, and even as i'm typing right now...God is showing me how His word is true, and clear...and it's all connected...but it's way too much to explain and i feel like i'd be wasting my time, so blah! Everyone's so set in THEIR ways and not God's, that everything I say will be rejected. It's hard seeing certain members on here spend so much time preaching, and prophesying the word of God....only to have it trampled or dismissed by people who choose to stay blind.

Forgive me Father, please have mercy on me.