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We fell into sin because Adam took the fruit and ate it. But what would have happened if he had refused it? If he had said, "No Devil! I rebuke you in the name of Jehovah!"
What would have happened to Eve and Satan?
Thanks!
Ahh....clarification for those of you (like me) who read this with presuppositions the first time through:Most likely Adam would have had a choice to go or stay in the Garden. Gods Word would not change Eve would have died. If we look at Moses and God, God in his anger would have killed the children of Israel ,and gave Moses a new people. God might have done the same with Adam, and gave him a new wife.
Mike, could you elaborate on this a little. I have to say that I sit in disagreement of this statement, but am curious to learn why you say this.Eve didn't sin, she was deceived...
Since you started with "we fell into sin because...." and then asked what if the "because" didn't happen, then the logical answer would be we would not have fallen into sin.We fell into sin because Adam took the fruit and ate it. But what would have happened if he had refused it? If he had said, "No Devil! I rebuke you in the name of Jehovah!"
What would have happened to Eve and Satan?
Thanks!
Well, she was part of Adam (Gen 1:27 "male and female He created them"). She was taken from his rib (Gen 2:21) -- his dirt -- not created from new dirt. The male and female were separated individually from one, and in marriage we then become one ... again.Well lets start with where was Eve when God told Adam not to eat from the tree?
The universe would have exploded.
These things were designed and pre-destined since before the foundations of the earth. Man was not created for the sake of man, He was created for Jesus. Man had to die spiritually so that Jesus could die and so man would become one with Jesus in His resurrection. The purpose of creation is so that all things will be turned over to God and all things become one in Him.
I do not know the ramifications and specifications and how and whys... but I do think the senario suggested in the OP could not have happened. Adam ate from the fruit, he always has, and always would. I would entertain any ideas to support this or disagree!
Didsers.
You should rule it out. For Adam and Eve DID eat of the fruit and did not physically die that day -- they DID die spiritually that day, and thus were in need of a Savior, like all of us.But I wouldn't rule out that God would not of his own freewill have destroyed Eve,he did command thou shall surely die. Adam would have found himself telling his new wife yes he really means die
Huh? I'm not sure your basis for the mortality comment. Can you support with scripture that "the 'fall' ushered in mortality?"If Adam had not accepted the fruit, none of us would be here discussing this matter.
The "fall" ushered in mortality and we were given a chance to prove our faithfulness to our Father in Heaven.
Huh? I'm not sure your basis for the mortality comment. Can you support with scripture that "the 'fall' ushered in mortality?"
There is nothing that suggests that Adam and Eve, pre-fall, were immortal. And after the fall has little to do with OUR faithfulness and EVERYTHING to do with God's faithfulness -- His Grace. If we had to "prove" faithfulness, then our salvation -- our renewed relationship with the Father -- would be based upon OUR works, and not God's Grace.
So if you have any scriptural support, I'm all ears.
Well, she was part of Adam (Gen 1:27 "male and female He created them"). She was taken from his rib (Gen 2:21) -- his dirt -- not created from new dirt. The male and female were separated individually from one, and in marriage we then become one ... again.
Next, it must not be assumed that the "talking quotes" in Genesis 1 & 2 are the ONLY conversations that God had with man (including Eve). So those who would say that God ONLY told Adam to stay away from the fruit would be making a huge assumption. (I'm not trying to put words in your mouth here, but an implication was made.) We see in Genesis 3:8 "the Lord God walking in the garden" and also in verse 10, Adam responds "I heard the sound of You in the garden," something that Adam seems quite familiar with. God walked with them in the garden. Can we assume He taught them both when He did this?
And turning to Genesis 3 the serpent and the woman are both very aware of what God said about the fruit of the tree (unless we are going toward the discussion about the "words" being different -- Gen 2 doesn't mention "touch it"). They know what action causes transgression.
I think there would have been no problems, God made the covenant with Adam before Eve was created, Eve didn't sin, she was deceived...
Satan would have been cast out forever and there would have been no fall...
(IMHO of course ;-)
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