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OK, the Bible condemns same sex fornicative acts. The same sex acts that are in a life-long commitment aren't fornication, just as heterosexual ones aren't. See where I'm going with the holes in your argument?Which is why THAT was not said.
The Bible condemns same-sex fornicative acts. Monogamous same-sex sex acts are STILL fornication.
OK, the Bible condemns same sex fornicative acts.
The same sex acts that are in a life-long commitment aren't fornication, just as heterosexual ones aren't. See where I'm going with the holes in your argument?
Zaac said:Two people of the same-sex cannot enter a marriage covenant with Jesus Christ.
God is a God of order. He is not a God of confusion.
The Bible says 24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. Genesis 2:24
you nailed it! plus, arguing is America's favorite Pass Time. everything's an 'issue', and truth 'relative'. crazy world we live in. makes me laugh when people say Christ will not return until we are without 'spot & wrinkle' (HA HA!). besides, the Church (in America) is having too much fun, and are in no hurry to see Jesus any time soon. we like it here, and are in no hurry to leave anytime soon. we're telling God, "Can't Touch This!" and even then only if you take us before the 'tribulation'. good thing God Is God and not us!...and that is that whichever side of the argument we're on, our minds are already pretty much made up and nobody here is going to change anybody else's mind on the subject; and given that, we all agreed to disagree?
Just a thought. After convalescing for a month, I realized we're getting absolutely nowhere with these arguments, so it might be time to give it a rest -- unless, of course, we enjoy arguing just for the sake of arguing.
You cannot prove that 2 people of the same sex cannot "enter into a covenant with Jesus Christ".
There isn't anything confusing. The Bible is silent on a sexual orientation, just as it wasn't part of the historical context.
However, slavery, forced and arranged marriages were. You know, like the verse about the rape victim being forced to marry her attacker, or the slave that may be forced to marry, and free to let go at the Master's discretion.
Zaac said:His Word speaks to the performing of ACTS. He addresses fornicative heterosexual acts and He addresses fornicative homosexual acts.
You can save the commentative sound bites. These are red herrings that are not addressing what you and I are talking about.
Which you have YET to prove ALL acts are fornication to start.
Yes, they are...it all has to do with "Biblical models of marriage". YOU want to use the Bible to show the Biblical models of marriage, yet there are plenty of models of marriages promoted that in our current day context would be preposterous at best..YOU are cherry picking.
If your relationship is just a friendship , you're good. But if there is a sexual aspect to it, you need to stop telling that lie.
On the contrary, it would be a lie to say the Bible countenances monogamous same-sex relationships, something you are promoting.That lie? it would be a lie to say that the Bible condemns a monogamous, same sex relationship
Yes you are trying to justify the sin of same-sex sex by disbelief and deception. As God’s purpose is woman to be in faithful union with man Gen 2, Matt 19, Eph 5 etc, that rules out same-sex unions either promiscuous or monogamous. As God’s word says same-sex acts are error Gen 19, Lev 18 & 20, 1 Cor 6, 1 Tim 1, Romans 1, 2 Peter 2, Jude 1. that rules out same-sex sexual unions. As Jesus teaches that fornication and adultery breaks God’s man/woman faithful union Matt 19, 1 Cor 5-7, that’s rules out same-sex sexual relationships and as Jesus offers celibacy as the alternative Matt 19, 1 Cor 7, that rules out same-sex sexual relationships.OK, the Bible condemns same sex fornicative acts. The same sex acts that are in a life-long commitment aren't fornication, just as heterosexual ones aren't. See where I'm going with the holes in your argument?
Sorry, I dont understand how one can have a friendship without any love.Friendships can grow into relationships which can grow into love
Hmmn. No one doesnt need to love somoen to have sex with them, what about prostitution?which can grow into sex
Ah but if you find Jesus as the specail person you dont want sex with Him do you?(imho its a natural progression once you find that one special person).
Dear Halohope,
Sorry, I dont understand how one can have a friendship without any love.
Hmmn. No one doesnt need to love somoen to have sex with them, what about prostitution?
Ah but if you find Jesus as the specail person you dont want sex with Him do you?
Ok but this was an integral part of your reasoning why you claimed something a lie. What was written was not a lie as you have now demonstrated by admitting your argument was flawed.I will concede that all freindships need love of some level. However, the freindships I have with my work collegues for example are extremely different to the freindship I have with my girlfreind. There is a far greater connection between myself and my partner, a far deeper love and a stronger emotional bond.
I never said you did, what you said was friendships can grow….I never said that sex required love for everyone.
I was addressing what you did say, not what you didn’t say.Friendships can grow into relationships which can grow into love which can grow into sex (imho its a natural progression once you find that one special person).
Ok but I have shown the scriptures which say Gods’ purpose is for man and woman and therefore not same-sex union and scriptures which says same-sex sex is error.FOr me however it does, and for a relationship to be blessed by God I believe it needs to involve love too.
then according to the Bible you cant be a disciple of Jesus.No but Jesus isnt the "special person" to replace the romantic sexual relationship most humans desire.
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