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Let me put it in easier terms:If you are saying that the flood and the construction of the ark is a miracle, then you pretty much agree that the flood hypothesis cannot be falsified and thus cannot be proven through the scientific method.
That is correct.So you don't have anything.
It's called the "Kingdom of Heaven."Indeed; in the supernatural world everything is possible, but we are not in a supernatural world; are we now!
I don't think God was bound by any laws.
That's why they're called "miracles."
So?Do you know that "pitch" can also refer to THIS STUFF?
So?As was pointed out to you in the thread you linked to.
So?As that was pointed out to you more than six years ago, I assume that you've done the intellectually honest thing and studied the issue and concluded that only the pitch pine could work in this particular case.
Gladly.Please enlighten me as to how you reached this conclusion.
I'm cherry picking stuff in order to validate my belief.Or are you cherry picking stuff in order to validate your beliefs?
Where do you think Noah lived?What next AV; Moses was given the ten commandments on mount Rushmore
Gladly.
First of all, assuming the Ark was built in Mesopotamia is a ploy of those who think the Flood was just a local one. They want to believe the Ark just bobbed around in circles, then was let down in the mountains.
Noah living thousand of miles away, however, pwns that idea.
Second of all, man was supposed to spread out from Eden, not just hang around in the same general area ... and although I believe the Garden of Eden was in China, not Mesopotamia, it still lends credence to the fact that Noah should not be living anywhere near where Adam and Eve once lived.
Thirdly, I've made it clear that this is what I believe. If you don't believe it, that's your prerogative.
I'm cherry picking stuff in order to validate my belief.
Let me ask you this:
Where do you think Noah lived?
Considering that the flood was a Babylonian myth then suffice it to say he lived in Mesopotamia.Where do you think Noah lived?
Two things:Considering that the flood was a Babylonian myth then suffice it to say he lived in Mesopotamia.
That's the point, the ship is too large to hold together with an all-wooden frame. We also know when the Iron Age started, and it was long after the era that Noah was said to have lived... The early Roman Empire was up and running before we mastered ironworking.
This is no ordinary rainfall. Remember, this is enough rain to cover Mount Everest in 40 days. Mount Everest is roughly 30,000 feet tall.
So that means that there would be 750 feet of water a day dumped on every square inch of the earth, or 32 feet of water per hour added to the boat, or a little over a half a foot of water per minute throughout the entire hull.
Nothing is going to be able to bail that much water out, it wouldn't have even begun to float when the rain started, much less had the ability to stay afloat.
You do not know that Mount Everest was there at that time, at that height. You are assuming current conditions.
Do you know what that is?
Your beliefs are not repugnant to me. Perhaps you misunderstood me. I do not question your beliefs; I do however question the fact that since you take the Bible literally then you are bound to its literal interpretation and not your personal one. After all Jesus did say: "No scripture is open to personal interpretation".Two things:
1. If it is a myth, then what does it matter where someone thinks Noah lived? North Pole? Greece? Guam? Mesopotamia? New Zealand? Why do you feel the need to reply to my belief with sarcasm about Mt. Rushmore?
2. Do you not realize that your belief is just as repugnant to me as mine is to yours? Again, is the mature thing for me to do is reply to your belief with sarcasm?
Of course, it's your prerogative, and the Bible even says you will do it; but I hope you see where I'm coming from.
Where do you think Noah lived?
You're right, it wasn't at that height at that time. It was probably a few feet lower, since it's been growing at a steady rate of about 2 or so inches a year.
If you think it grew at a different rate in the past, you need to present some solid evidence to support that and show how whatever this mechanism is could work in a way that doesn't violate everything we know about geology. Otherwise, there's no reason for anyone to think it was drastically lower than we would expect it to be at the time.Do you know why it is growing at only 2 inches per year? Is there a reason that it has to be at that rate at all times?
That's the point. There are things we don't know. There were also not as many animals on board as you imagine.Do you?
Modern marine architects have determined that the Ark of Noah was the single most stable floating object ever conceived.
You do not know that Mount Everest was there at that time, at that height. You are assuming current conditions.
You are also assuming an open deck which the Ark did not have. The way in was in the side of the ship. It was also made of gopher wood. Do you know what that is?
Is there a reason that it has to be at that rate at all times?
Modern marine architects have determined that the Ark of Noah was the single most stable floating object ever conceived.
Whatever.Your beliefs are not repugnant to me.
I'd say you were clear enough.Perhaps you misunderstood me.
Did I say you did?I do not question your beliefs;
And where in the Bible does it even hint at where Noah lived before the Flood?I do however question the fact that since you take the Bible literally then you are bound to its literal interpretation and not your personal one.
Then why did you say "Mesopotamia"?After all Jesus did say: "No scripture is open to personal interpretation".
Your sarcasm caught me off-guard.I had no idea that my beliefs disturbed you so.
Either in the Mediterranean Basin before the "fountains of the deep" at Gibralter gave way and the waters of the Atlantic ocean flooded the land, forming the Mediterranean Sea, or (more likely) in the Black Sea Basin before the "fountains of the deep" at the Bosporus similarly gave way, In either case, the waters of the Flood are still there and Noah's homeland is still under those waters.
But that is speculation, no more certain than your New Jersey guess.
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