What Would Falsify the Flood?

AV1611VET · Dec 17, 2013

Damian79 said:
Well in Genesis 4:22 it says they had bronze and iron tools. *shrugs*

As I have said more than once here:

The Ark could have been made out of balsa wood and still accomplished its task.

Dave Ellis · Dec 17, 2013

AV1611VET said:
The Ark wasn't a ship.

The Ark had all the Support it could handle ... and more.

Okay ... the Ark wasn't a boat.

(Make up my mind, please.)

Please, quit the semantic word games. And no, the ark would not have stayed together if it was built to the dimensions listed in the bible.

Dave Ellis · Dec 17, 2013

AV1611VET said:
As I have said more than once here:

The Ark could have been made out of balsa wood and still accomplished its task.

Balsa Wood? Are you kidding me? A balsa wood ship that size would shatter against the pounding of the waves.

mzungu · Dec 17, 2013

AV1611VET said:
You can't even factor God into the equation and get it right, can you?

No we cannot. Why? Well to put it simply; factoring in a supernatural entity into a physical phenomenon is to say the least, ludicrous.

Believe in any deity you want AV and this discussion simply cannot come to a conclusion as you are arguing on a supernatural point of view and we are on a physical point of view. The two cannot be reconciled unless one see the Bible strictly as a spiritual guide and as such there is no conflict with science.

New Jersey AV Mount Ararat is in America

AV1611VET · Dec 17, 2013

mzungu said:
They did not have enough iron to fashion the beams and braces required to hold such a ship together.

They wouldn't have used it anyway.

mzungu said:
Besides iron had to be processed to make it less brittle and have more tensile strength.

They wouldn't have used it anyway.

mzungu said:
Do you honestly think Noah had at his disposal such engineering skills?

He wouldn't have need of those skills.

mzungu said:
Not to mention that a vessel of that size would have required hundreds of skilled carpenters and metalworkers.

They wouldn't have used them anyway.

mzungu said:
Now since we are on the subject of the Ark; what did Noah feed the T-Rex?

Nothing.

God could have, and probably, fed them manna.

mzungu said:
Creationists insist the Earth is only 4,000 years old and obviously Noah had to save the Dinosaurs, etc since the Bible does not say to exclude any kind of animal.

Yup.

Golan · Dec 17, 2013

AV1611VET said:
It's just a hunch.

1. He lived in a landlocked area that is now known as New Jersey.

That's just delightful, crazy but delightful, only a home schooled American could come up with that.

2. Noah didn't build a boat or a ship, he built an ark.

Same principles, it needed to float.

3. It had never rained before the Flood.

That again is just delightful, crazy but delightful, where did everyone get their drinking water? how did the crops grow?

Christianity is a wonderful thing don't you think? a brain warping thing if ever there was one.

Dave Ellis · Dec 17, 2013

AV1611VET said:
God could have, and probably, fed them manna.

Did he put Ketchup on the manna?

Sayre · Dec 17, 2013

I think the (literal) noahic flood is falsified by coherence with other known flood mythologies, isn't it? But if the intent of the author was never to be read as a physical literal story, but as an inspired mythology... a vehicle to teach theology... then I am not sure what could falsify it. Atheism perhaps.

AV1611VET · Dec 17, 2013

Dave Ellis said:
Even more importantly, how did a small family shovel off the hundreds of pounds of manure that must have been produced on a daily basis?

That one is a toughy.

Dave Ellis said:
And how do you store enough food on the boat to feed all those animals for 40 days?

Remember how God fed the widow of Zarephath?

1 Kings 17:16 And the barrel of meal wasted not, neither did the cruse of oil fail, according to the word of the LORD, which he spake by Elijah.

AV1611VET · Dec 17, 2013

OllieFranz said:
The square/cube law says that as you scale up to larger and larger sizes, every part of an object gets weaker.

I don't think God was bound by any laws.

That's why they're called "miracles."

AV1611VET · Dec 17, 2013

Dave Ellis said:
Do you have any evidence that it did?

I have as much evidence that it did, as I have evidence that Jesus was placed on the Cross.

Sayre · Dec 17, 2013

AV1611VET said:
I don't think God was bound by any laws.

That's why they're called "miracles."

You seem confused?

A hypothesis that a miracle occured cannot be falsified.

If you are saying that the flood and the construction of the ark is a miracle, then you pretty much agree that the flood hypothesis cannot be falsified and thus cannot be proven through the scientific method.

Golan · Dec 17, 2013

AV1611VET said:
I don't think God was bound by any laws.

That's why they're called "miracles."

That's why the flood story makes God look like an incompetent idiot by saying that every gap can be filled with a miracle?
a man made story that you are desperate to believe is true otherwise your book is wrong.

Golan · Dec 17, 2013

AV1611VET said:
I have as much evidence that it did, as I have evidence that Jesus was placed on the Cross.

So you don't have anything.

AV1611VET · Dec 17, 2013

Dave Ellis said:
Please, quit the semantic word games.

Your word choices exhibit confusion as to what really happened then.

Applying science to miracles is a major source of confusion.

Miracles/Science = Confusion.

Science/Miracles = Truth.

Dave Ellis said:
And no, the ark would not have stayed together if it was built to the dimensions listed in the bible.

I agree ... no one can recreate what happened that year -- no one.

It won't work in a laboratory, it won't work on paper, it won't work logically, scientifically, or mentally.

But with God, all things are possible.

This means the Ark could have been made out of eggshells and still accomplished its task.

AV1611VET · Dec 17, 2013

Dave Ellis said:
A balsa wood ship that size would shatter against the pounding of the waves.

So I understand.

mzungu · Dec 17, 2013

AV1611VET said:
This means the Ark could have been made out of eggshells and still accomplished its task.

Indeed; in the supernatural world everything is possible, but we are not in a supernatural world; are we now!

AV1611VET · Dec 17, 2013

mzungu said:
No we cannot. Why? Well to put it simply; factoring in a supernatural entity into a physical phenomenon is to say the least, ludicrous.

As I said: Miracles/Science = Confusion.

mzungu said:
New Jersey AV Mount Ararat is in America

You're not new here, mzungu.

QV please (and note the date): 174

AV1611VET · Dec 17, 2013

Dave Ellis said:
Did he put Ketchup on the manna?

Casting my pearls, am I?

Kylie · Dec 17, 2013

AV1611VET said:
As I said: Miracles/Science = Confusion.

You're not new here, mzungu.

QV please (and note the date): 174

Do you know that "pitch" can also refer to THIS STUFF? As was pointed out to you in the thread you linked to. As that was pointed out to you more than six years ago, I assume that you've done the intellectually honest thing and studied the issue and concluded that only the pitch pine could work in this particular case. Please enlighten me as to how you reached this conclusion. Or are you cherry picking stuff in order to validate your beliefs?

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