What Would Falsify the Flood? (2)

dad · Jan 2, 2014

Atheos canadensis said:
There's no other shoe. The question I'm asking is the one I want an answer to. It's about 95% curiosity with about 5% amusement that you can't provide and answer. Why should I fear Hell? All I have is your insistence that it is "uncomfortable" and "the worst place on earth". But the only punishment you say goes on is that I won't be connected to God, which I already am not and am enjoying just fine. So why should I fear Hell? It's okay to admit that there is absolutely no reason, even if it bugs you that what you consider to be terrifying holds not even a wisp of a threat to me.

Why would people fear slavery, and prison, and loneliness? Why would people fear having no hope of salvation and surcease from soul torment? Why would people fear losing eternal life and health and love and true happiness and friendship and communion forever with the creator of the universe? Why would people fear paying in full for every crime and sin they ever committed? Why would people fear a destiny in a horrible place with the hateful ugly fallen angels and cruel beings?

I don't see how it is a burning question really.

I want love and laughter and peace ever after and a world that is free of war and death and sickness and tears. I want to learn and grow and right wrongs, and be what God created me to be...and rule with Him! I want people that care and love and a God that is Faithful and True.

Heaven help us.

FredHoyle · Jan 2, 2014

dad said:
Why would people fear slavery, and prison, and loneliness? Why would people fear having no hope of salvation and surcease from soul torment? Why would people fear losing eternal life and health and love and true happiness and friendship and communion forever with the creator of the universe? Why would people fear paying in full for every crime and sin they ever committed? Why would people fear a destiny in a horrible place with the hateful ugly fallen angels and cruel beings?

I don't see how it is a burning question really.

I want love and laughter and peace ever after and a world that is free of war and death and sickness and tears. I want to learn and grow and right wrongs, and be what God created me to be...and rule with Him! I want people that care and love and a God that is Faithful and True.

Heaven help us.

How worried are you that you do not worship Allah?
I suspect as worried as an atheists or a Muslim who does not worship your god.

dad · Jan 2, 2014

FredHoyle said:
How worried are you that you do not worship Allah?
I suspect as worried as an atheists or a Muslim who does not worship your god.

If one believes in a real God, as Christians are supposed to do, then we know that God made man with some part missing right now, that need for communion with Him.

Nothing else would fill that gap. We also know that is anyone really searches, seeks and asks, they will find Him.

The spam gods Satan sends like confetti on a parade of man cannot keep His sheep who seek Him from coming to the One Light of the world, and only way to the Father.

TLK Valentine · Jan 2, 2014

dad said:
If one believes in a real God, as Christians are supposed to do, then we know that God made man with some part missing right now, that need for communion with Him.

Create a flawed product so that we all need the patch later on -- I'd expect that kind of behavior from Bill Gates, not God.

dad · Jan 2, 2014

TLK Valentine said:
Create a flawed product so that we all need the patch later on -- I'd expect that kind of behavior from Bill Gates, not God.

Adam didn't have that problem if you recall, neither will those that are saved in the life to come. The reason that problem came to exist is because man followed Satan away from God. You's think we oughta get mad about that con.

TLK Valentine · Jan 2, 2014

dad said:
Adam didn't have that problem if you recall, neither will those that are saved in the life to come. The reason that problem came to exist is because man followed Satan away from God. You's think we oughta get mad about that con.

Except if you will recall, it was a tag-team operation. God and Satan were working together, as you were kind enough to point out.

dad · Jan 2, 2014

TLK Valentine said:
Except if you will recall, it was a tag-team operation. God and Satan were working together, as you were kind enough to point out.

If a mom puts a bag of cookies on a shelf, and asks a kid not to eat them before dinner, I would hardly claim she was working with the cookies to trick the kid. The kid needs to learn that life is better when we have some control over desires. What kind of life would it be if the mom had to construct a safe and a concrete bunker for the cookies, to protect them from the kid?

EternalDragon · Jan 2, 2014

Atheos canadensis said:
There's no other shoe. The question I'm asking is the one I want an answer to. It's about 95% curiosity with about 5% amusement that you can't provide and answer. Why should I fear Hell? All I have is your insistence that it is "uncomfortable" and "the worst place on earth". But the only punishment you say goes on is that I won't be connected to God, which I already am not and am enjoying just fine. So why should I fear Hell? It's okay to admit that there is absolutely no reason, even if it bugs you that what you consider to be terrifying holds not even a wisp of a threat to me.

I already explained it to you. Do you have a problem with comprehending it?

You mentioned you are in the same state right now. No, you are not. You have internet, you can go out and do things, you can play video games, watch movies, find love, etc.

Like I said, if you prefer to be confined, forever alone, in an unpleasant place, with nothing to do then that is your thing I guess. But I never thought I'd meet anyone that would prefer that over freedom.

Subduction Zone · Jan 2, 2014

EternalDragon said:
I already explained it to you. Do you have a problem with comprehending it?

You mentioned you are in the same state right now. No, you are not. You have internet, you can go out and do things, you can play video games, watch movies, find love, etc.

Like I said, if you prefer to be confined, forever alone, in an unpleasant place, with nothing to do then that is your thing I guess. But I never thought I'd meet anyone that would prefer that over freedom.

But as he pointed out, that is a mythological belief.

E.D. if a Muslim would tell you that you were going to be damned by Allah for not following the Koran would you be at all worried? Why or why not?

EternalDragon · Jan 2, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
But as he pointed out, that is a mythological belief.

E.D. if a Muslim would tell you that you were going to be damned by Allah for not following the Koran would you be at all worried? Why or why not?

Do you have the verse?

But in any case, the Koran is plagiarized from the Hebrew Bible and written by one man in a cave. So it doesn't hold too much weight as being genuine.

Subduction Zone · Jan 2, 2014

EternalDragon said:
Do you have the verse?

But in any case, the Koran is plagiarized from the Hebrew Bible and written by one man in a cave. So it doesn't hold too much weight as being genuine.

And I could point out that much of the Christian Bible is plagiarized from other sources too. And the rest was written by dyspeptic goat herders. So it doesn't hold too much weight as being genuine.

EternalDragon · Jan 2, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
And I could point out that much of the Christian Bible is plagiarized from other sources too. And the rest was written by dyspeptic goat herders. So it doesn't hold too much weight as being genuine.

The verse please?

TLK Valentine · Jan 2, 2014

EternalDragon said:
The verse please?

The verse in the Bible that admits it was plagiarized?

Subduction Zone · Jan 2, 2014

Here is a link where the writer lists all sorts of stories of the Bible that are amazingly similar to earlier works:

Biblical Plagiarism | The Rational Response Squad

AV1611VET · Jan 2, 2014

Subduction Zone said:
Here is a link where the writer lists all sorts of stories of the Bible that are amazingly similar to earlier works:

Emphasis on "earlier"?

I know what "earlier" is to you guys.

Empires existing before their progenitors were ever born.

You know -- like Egypt and China that you guys like to think survived the Flood?

Subduction Zone · Jan 2, 2014

AV1611VET said:
Emphasis on "earlier"?

I know what "earlier" is to you guys.

Empires existing before their progenitors were ever born.

You know -- like Egypt and China that you guys like to think survived the Flood?

As you know there was no "Flood". That is another myth that is laughed at by the world. All of science says there was no flood, and next the hypocrite who uses devices upon modern science, whose very life is probably dependent upon modern science will make a foolish remark.

Atheos canadensis · Jan 2, 2014

dad said:
Why would people fear slavery, and prison, and loneliness? Why would people fear having no hope of salvation and surcease from soul torment? Why would people fear losing eternal life and health and love and true happiness and friendship and communion forever with the creator of the universe? Why would people fear paying in full for every crime and sin they ever committed? Why would people fear a destiny in a horrible place with the hateful ugly fallen angels and cruel beings?

I don't see how it is a burning question really.

I want love and laughter and peace ever after and a world that is free of war and death and sickness and tears. I want to learn and grow and right wrongs, and be what God created me to be...and rule with Him! I want people that care and love and a God that is Faithful and True.

Heaven help us.

Is your version of Hell the same as ED's? Because it seems like you're describing a separation from God, something I already experience without feeling even slightly unhappy about it. I already live with death and sickness and tears and yet my life is still filled with joy. So what do I have to fear from Hell if it is staying here doing the same thing I'm doing and enjoying? There are already people who live at a level of opulence and comfort and freedom I will never experience and this doesn't bother me.

This is separate from the obvious fact that I am not worried about Hell because it doesn't exist.

AV1611VET · Jan 2, 2014

Atheos canadensis said:
Is your version of Hell the same as ED's? Because it seems like you're describing a separation from God, something I already experience without feeling even slightly unhappy about it. I already live with death and sickness and tears and yet my life is still filled with joy. So what do I have to fear from Hell if it is staying here doing the same thing I'm doing and enjoying? There are already people who live at a level of opulence and comfort and freedom I will never experience and this doesn't bother me.

This is separate from the obvious fact that I am not worried about Hell because it doesn't exist.

Been in a foxhole lately?

TLK Valentine · Jan 2, 2014

AV1611VET said:
Emphasis on "earlier"?

I know what "earlier" is to you guys.

Empires existing before their progenitors were ever born.

You know -- like Egypt and China that you guys like to think survived the Flood?

Alleged progenitors, AV -- Alleged by people who wear ignorance like a badge.

TLK Valentine · Jan 2, 2014

AV1611VET said:
Been in a foxhole lately?

These heroes have so I don't have to be.

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