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Yes, I agree Yahuweh has orchestrated and put in place the powers that be, along with all the limits there-of,Ok, sorry if I misunderstood. But there are restraints in law and deterents. They may not deter everyone, but they do deter some.
Churches that don't follow the Golden Rule should be denied land to build on.
- President Theodore Woodstock
I don't think there is a single church that believes what Skywriting has concluded through his "self research". So where would he go?If my church condemned my relationship with my wife, I would leave that church and find one that was more aligned with what I beleive. I think you are acrediting churches with too much power here - they cannot "outlaw" your behaviour. They can only express their oposition and at worst expel you from their church.
If you feel a church is wrong in its teaching and you feel that people in your church are being oppressed by false teaching, why do you stay a member of that church?
Because there isn't a church that agrees with your beliefs?Compassion for other people?
The possibility you are wrong?
Because they are family?
To help change the world?
Becasue they need your help?
Becasue you enjoy challenges?
Becasue you can learn from others?
Becasue diversity is healthy?
I don't think there is a single church that believes what Skywriting has concluded through his "self research". So where would he go?
I'm bisexual. Reading this was hard, but I understand it since I grew up in church and was in full ministry. Sadly I fell from grace, but seeing the other side of it has been hard. I want to leave my partner and try again, but I can't. It's very complex. I already spend 3 years with this person and to just up and leave would be heart breaking. I ask God to help me. I've been considering leaving for the past few months and all I can do is ask God for help. It's true it's a sin and it's hard to deal with. We all have that one sin we tend to stumble on. sadly mine was this one and it's one of the worstl condemned sins, yet all sins are the same in God's eyes, but it's a very hard subject. But As one who is bisexual and who is trying to go back to church... I can only say that Love is what starts the process of healing. Let me sit on you bench and listen to a message of hope and inspiration. Let me visit and take part of activities open to all even sinners. I know I cannot take part in ministry or anything like that, but let me at least be welcome to your church and pray and seek God. In the midst of it he can free me.
There's always been an ambiguity as to whether we're looking at moderate positions or using moderate attitudes to discuss them. The OP seemed to be looking for a moderate position.The forum does not exist to find compromises, "split the difference" on thorny issues, etc. or denigrate traditional Christian beliefs, however.
It refers to the participants behaving in a temperate, understanding fashion absent rancor--much as our inquirer here has done.
I disagree on the first part, although it may be a moot point after all this time. When this forum was created, the idea that was agreed upon was that the members would not be flamethrowers or severe partisans. Of necessity, that required some degree of tolerance or at least understanding of some nouveau religious ideas.There's always been an ambiguity as to whether we're looking at moderate positions or using moderate attitudes to discuss them. The OP seemed to be looking for a moderate position.
The only thing I'd change about the marriage laws in the United States would be getting the government out of the marriage business completely, but allow civil unions for both same sex and opposite sex couples.
That way, people can define marriage however they want, but no one is forced to accept another person's definition of it if they think it goes against their religion.
That's the way it is now. There's nothing in the legal system about a religious significance to marriage. It's really a civil status, with lots of effects on tax, inheritance, medical responsibility. Most marriages happen in churches, but it's the church that adds the religious significance. But you can also have non-religious marriage. The idea of separate but equal civil unions for gays was solely intended as an insult to gay unions. Assuming they were really equal, there was no legal difference.The only thing I'd change about the marriage laws in the United States would be getting the government out of the marriage business completely, but allow civil unions for both same sex and opposite sex couples.
That way, people can define marriage however they want, but no one is forced to accept another person's definition of it if they think it goes against their religion.
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